Manning fired yet?

[Tre4ISU]

Then why didn’t happen sooner? Or did the “modern game” just start in 2019?

Because we have sucked, particularly offensively. This is obvious. I'm not going to go look up all of our S&P rankings, as I don't have to to know, but I bet what you'll find is a really weird ranking in 2017, if I remember right of like 17th or something even those none of the individual rankings are any good and then a bunch of years of 50th or worse with way too many in the 100s.

Our offense, since say 2003ish, when the offensive game changed, hasn't been good really ever. Setting school records isn't impressive here.

 

[madguy30]

I think we’re agreeing here?

I think so.

Main points: ISU isn't as talented as top programs.

ISU can't run an RB screen or RPO several times a game because they're more limited than some fans seem to realize, even if they understand ISU isn't on that level.

 

[dualthreat]

2018 and especially 2017 we played damn near mistake free football. No fumbles and very few sacks etc. This year we were quite sloppy at times... Too sloppy for even a highly ranked offense to overcome. I was as mad as anybody at Manning for that 4th and 1 call but he didn't fumble the ball or throw the interceptions. When you play sloppy against good teams you get beat.

We were so close in so many of our games and our losses usually came down to untimely turnovers, not offensive ineptitude

 

[dualthreat]

Because we have sucked, particularly offensively. This is obvious. I'm not going to go look up all of our S&P rankings, as I don't have to to know, but I bet what you'll find is a really weird ranking in 2017, if I remember right of like 17th or something even those none of the individual rankings are any good and then a bunch of years of 50th or worse with way too many in the 100s.

Our offense, since say 2003ish, when the offensive game changed, hasn't been good really ever. Setting school records isn't impressive here.

Setting school records is impressive when you're leading the conference and near the top in the nation. Quit discrediting the job this offense did this season.. without all the turnovers we would have been even better.

 

[Statefan10]

Setting school records is impressive when you're leading the conference and near the top in the nation. Quit discrediting the job this offense did this season.. without all the turnovers we would have been even better.

Also, we had a top 15 ranked offense going into the bowl game. We currently are #29 after re-ranking. Our offense was good this year but executed poorly at critical moments in the game.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

What three ISU players scored NFL touchdowns all in one day in the 70's?

 

[madguy30]

2018 and especially 2017 we played damn near mistake free football. No fumbles and very few sacks etc. This year we were quite sloppy at times... Too sloppy for even a highly ranked offense to overcome. I was as mad as anybody at Manning for that 4th and 1 call but he didn't fumble the ball or throw the interceptions. When you play sloppy against good teams you get beat.

We were so close in so many of our games and our losses usually came down to untimely turnovers, not offensive ineptitude

Not arguing but does fundamentals for ball security equate into how effective an offense is?

Imo this was CMC's least disciplined team fundamentally, all over.

 

[Tre4ISU]

Setting school records is impressive when you're leading the conference and near the top in the nation. Quit discrediting the job this offense did this season.. without all the turnovers we would have been even better.

13 against UNI
17 against Iowa
21 against Baylor (none until the 4th)
17 against KSU

If I give them a break against OSU, OU, and UT, that's 4 loses we can lay at the feet of the offense against good teams.

We also aren't "near the top" in the nation in terms of total offense. Our running game wasn't any good. Brock Purdy and Co. were great a lot of the time.

I'm not discrediting anything either. I'm pointing out that simply saying our school records aren't good and when they'd pop up here and there it was almost comical. Actually, I'd like to know the last time OU wouldn't have set the records our offense set.

Also, your last sentence is irrelevant. Those are part of the offense.

 

[isufbcurt]

So records only count when you beat good teams?

Troy Davis never ran for 2000 yards since they didn't beat anyone good in those days.

 

[madguy30]

Troy Davis never ran for 2000 yards since they didn't beat anyone good in those days.

Rushing for 2000 yards two years in a row is impressive anywhere.

Purdy's stats are impressive anywhere.

ISU as a whole simply wasn't good enough vs. decent teams.

 

[isufbcurt]

Rushing for 2000 yards two years in a row is impressive anywhere.

Purdy's stats are impressive anywhere.

ISU as a whole simply wasn't good enough vs. decent teams.

i was being very sarcastic

 

[madguy30]

i was being very sarcastic

Well aware.

 

[twojman]

I've seen posts about ISU recruiting being 'good enough', developing guys etc. If you like 7-5 seasons, keep thinking like this. ISU recruiting needs to get better to improve the overall record.

Can ISU do that? I don't know. There might be a season where most bounces/judgment calls go for the good guys, this would get ISU to 9-3 or 10-2 but is not sustainable. I've posted in another thread CMC is already punching above his weight based on players. Basically ISU should win about 5 games/season based on roster talent. (2 nonconference, KU, KSU and Tech.)

 

[isufbcurt]

I've seen posts about ISU recruiting being 'good enough', developing guys etc. If you like 7-5 seasons, keep thinking like this. ISU recruiting needs to get better to improve the overall record.

Can ISU do that? I don't know. There might be a season where most bounces/judgment calls go for the good guys, this would get ISU to 9-3 or 10-2 but is not sustainable. I've posted in another thread CMC is already punching above his weight based on players. Basically ISU should win about 5 games/season based on roster talent. (2 nonconference, KU, KSU and Tech.)

As long as ISU is going to Bowl games I will be satisfied. If we do better great, but my bar is getting to a bowl game every year, do that and I am not going to complain.

 

[CNECloneFan]

I could only stomach reading half of this thread. I am amazed at the amount of angst that comes out of our fan base after struggling to pass the ball against the #3 pass defense in the country.

But it is a little more understandable coming right after the struggling to beat KU and the K-State beat down...

 

[Beyerball]

God I feel dumber for opening this thread..wtf are some of you smoking? Clearly some on here didn’t live thru 2006ish thru 2014... Just go look at those offenses and compare it to 2019.. lmao..

We had a bad game.. move on

 

[MLawrence]

As long as ISU is going to Bowl games I will be satisfied. If we do better great, but my bar is getting to a bowl game every year, do that and I am not going to complain.

I think you have to take a step back and honestly assess the ISU program, and as of right now, I agree with making a bowl game every year is the bar. Now that isn't to say that could change one day, but it's going to be a slow process, and making yearly trips to bowl games will build upon the next step of getting to 9+ win seasons.

 

[cyrocksmypants]

13 against UNI
17 against Iowa
21 against Baylor (none until the 4th)
17 against KSU

If I give them a break against OSU, OU, and UT, that's 4 loses we can lay at the feet of the offense against good teams.

We also aren't "near the top" in the nation in terms of total offense. Our running game wasn't any good. Brock Purdy and Co. were great a lot of the time.

I'm not discrediting anything either. I'm pointing out that simply saying our school records aren't good and when they'd pop up here and there it was almost comical. Actually, I'd like to know the last time OU wouldn't have set the records our offense set.

Also, your last sentence is irrelevant. Those are part of the offense.

I’m confused. Are you saying we lost to UNI? And the offense is why we lost to UNI?

 

[Tre4ISU]

I've seen posts about ISU recruiting being 'good enough', developing guys etc. If you like 7-5 seasons, keep thinking like this. ISU recruiting needs to get better to improve the overall record.

Can ISU do that? I don't know. There might be a season where most bounces/judgment calls go for the good guys, this would get ISU to 9-3 or 10-2 but is not sustainable. I've posted in another thread CMC is already punching above his weight based on players. Basically ISU should win about 5 games/season based on roster talent. (2 nonconference, KU, KSU and Tech.)

I think the frustrating thing is that with very few exceptions we aren’t losing battles or wars based on talent. I think that everyone has assumed that our limitation will be recruiting and since it’s not apparent that that’s actually true a lot of time, it’s a little bit disappointing.

 

[Tre4ISU]

I’m confused. Are you saying we lost to UNI? And the offense is why we lost to UNI?

No I misspoke there although 13 points against UNI is a loss for the offense.