This is why Prohm must go........
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Don't let facts get in the way of a good old fashioned Prohm bashing/Fred blowjob fest.
Or as it's otherwise known, Cyclone Fanatic.
You said the expectations going into last year were too low for ISU because people didn't realize how good Jacobson and Shayok were.
They were 8 and 6 ppg guys at their previous stops. Not sure why anyone would've expected Shayok or Jacobson to do what they did last year, because there wasn't really an indication they were those types of players.
People keep saying we shouldn't judge last season vs. preseason expectations because they were too low. Why would the expectations have been higher than a 6 seed? You had two injury prone role players in NWB and Young alongside two talented but wildly inconsistent freshman (LW and Lard) returning from a really bad team. Then you are adding in a freshman ranked about 50-ish in THT (ranked similarly to Matt Thomas, who struggled mightily as a freshman), a role player from a good team (Shayok) and a role player from a bad team (MJ). Then you have two freshmen that are decently ranked in Conditt and Griffin, and one low-ranked Freshman in Haliburton.
My problem is in the same thread we can have people claiming Prohm horribly mismanaged Wigginton, who's probably going to be a G-League/overseas lifer that was an efficient scorer and conf. 6th man of the year as a soph. while giving Prohm no credit for having Shayok go from an 8 ppg role player to an All-American. Or having MJ go from a 6 and 5 kind of role player to a double-digit scorer that was huge in the big 12 tournament.
One year ago your own post said that we were projected to win 11 games in conference, they were surely aware of our injury situation at that time. We did not meet or exceed that expectation.
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I'm not saying we were a game or two away from the tournament, I'm saying we were a game or two away from the year not being as bad. You can have a year like that every once in a while, especially after losing a ton of contributors from the year prior.. And look, the year after that, we win the Big 12 Tournament and are a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament. Lon Kruger and the Sooners went 11-20 in 2016-2017 and then followed it up with a first round exit the next year.
Yep, and Iowa led by double digits while he was playing in a wire-to-wire victory. He played most of the game.
I didn't compare the SH and Louisville win other than to say that ISU had a less impressive best win, but in addition at least had another win against a major conference team. Not that a TTU comparison really matters, but the Lousiville game has been an extreme outlier so far. Doesn't mean TTU won't be good, but they've lost to every other team that has a pulse, and they damn near lost to a horrendous Southern Miss. team.
I did not make that thread until after Maui. That was well into the season.
Preseason (according to that one source) --
I remember a lot of people discussing Iowa State would be lucky to make the tournament at the start of last season.
Using preseason expectations to determine the success of a coach is really pointless. The coaches' past performance and recruiting set those expectations. Compare the seasons to the programs' history. Fact is, Prohm has underachieved the program. And looks like that is going to continue.
There is not a fact to back that up whatsoever, considering Prohm has won the same amount of hardware that Fred Hoiberg did when he was at Iowa State. Prohm has kept the program steady at the moment.
I will take more of this kind of underachievement --
Gimme some of that every year.
What happened after that?
Who did he add to those rosters? They were Hoiberg's players.
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"What have you done for me lately"? You know the program is in good shape when that is the first thing you think of after bringing down the nets in KC. That or you just enjoy bagging on Prohm.
He won a meaningless tournament and lost in the one that matters immediately after that to a terrible Ohio State team. Seriously, what makes you think the program is in good shape?
You may not know this, but almost the entire team Prohm's first year had to get re-recruited by Prohm in order stay at Iowa State. Some guys wanted to head to the league, while some wanted to possibly transfer. Prohm got them to stay. Prohm also added Donovon Jackson and Solomon young, who helped immensely during the 2016-2017 season. Also, Deonte and NWB never played a minute under Fred and developed into very nice players.
