Good. Then we could have hired Fred before he went to Nebraska.
This is why Prohm must go........
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Good. Then we could have hired Fred before he went to Nebraska.
I guess he's still ultimately responsible one way or the other but is it his failure to call an effective set, or the team's failure to execute what he wants, or some combination of both? Like last Thursday there were multiple possessions where it was one guy going one on one and four guys just standing and watching. You can be the greatest tactician in the history of the game, but if your players can't execute then it doesn't matter.
So maybe the players just haven't got the whole 'knack' of the offense yet? Sorry, just searching for something to hang onto I guess. I mean Haliburton didn't really play the point last year, Jacobsen played the 5, Conditt was a spot role player, Solomon injured, and Nixon,Bolton, Grill, Griffith, and Jackson weren't playing yet. Seems like we have a lot of inexperience to grow with yet, hopefully. (Whereas Iowa's lineup is pretty much the same as last year minus Cook. In other words, they didn't lose 70% of their scoring.
I couldn't believe they weren't favored, and it had to be only because the game was in Hilton where they hadn't won since 2003. No comparison of the two rosters as to experience playing together yet.) But like I said, I'm just searching and hoping in March we'll be pleasantly surprised as to how much better our guys play.
On a side note, was Alabama's defense really that bad or was it just an unreal shooting day?
This is the correct answer. I really hate this site after a loss. The cliff's edge seems way too close for comfort for many of you "the world is ending" posters every time a loss happens.
Who, DJ?
So he was evaluating DJ as a point guard and forced it so ISU could struggle? You're right, that really is crazy.
I know this is a retread thread, but threads like this are stupid during the season. It does no good to question a coach during the season. Why do people get so upset specifically about losing in Hilton? Why does that matter if you win more road games than in the past. Johnny, for example, was terrible on the road. Like 0-fer terrible. I feel like this team is finally a little more balanced class wise, but has a talent gap/experience gap due to the early departures. I love how they defend compared to past teams, but the shooting has been atrocious. Improve shooting and they have a shot to be good enough to make the dance. Might just be a personnel issue though.
I kinda/sorta understand some of the outrage after last Thursday, though. It's one thing to lose. It's entirely another to just not show up at home against an in-state rival and get embarrassed like they did. Not saying I agree with the calls for firing Prohm; I'd rather see how the rest of this year plays out. But I get why people might be a little extra-pissed off after that poopshow.
I know the comment above was meant as snark for some of the foolishness within this thread. But what are your expectations for the mbb program? In an 8 year time frame would making the NCAA Tournament 6 of 8 years be a success? What about 4 out of every 8 years? What about 2 out of every 8 years?
Of course everyone wants the program ran without scandal and what a person of good morale character as the face of the program. But at the end of the day, Iowa State has gained national relevance because they have been to the tournament 7 of the last 8 years. Think about other programs even within the Big 12. Do you think about Oklahoma State as a national mbb brand? Of course not but they have been to the NCAA tournament 4 of the last 8 years and have been through three coaches in the process. How about Oklahoma and Kansas State as national mbb brands? They both have made it six of the last 8 years with the same coaches. People ask for Bruce Webber to be fired every year.
It's okay to push back against the "mob mentality" but in doing so people need to understand that Iowa State is a nationally relevant mbb program. And going to the NCAA Tournament every other year (4 or 5 out of 8 years) although probably not a something JP would fire a coach for....would certainly move us from a Top 25-30 mbb program to a Top 45-50 mbb program.
I think it's fair to criticize Prohm and to hold him and this program to a higher standard than making it to the tournament every other year. However we've missed the tournament 1 time in 8 years. It's not like we just missed the tournament last year. We haven't missed it yet this year and there is a long ways until Selection Sunday. Seasons are full of ups and downs and maybe this year, we're getting our down part at the beginning of the year instead of in the middle of February like last year.
I think some fans are letting the emotions of losing to Iowa get in the way of the fact that sometimes you get your butt kicked.. Sometimes you don't show up ready to play. It happens. I also think that this could and should be an eye opener for Prohm and this team. You can't get run out of the gym by your in-state foe that's supposed to be the inferior program. Hopefully this lights a fire underneath Steve and these guys. Steve needs to look in the mirror and figure out how to get this team to play to it's potential, while these guys have got to help their coach out a bit. I'm not throwing anyone under the bus but all levels of this team need some accountability.
It’s a message board, so there’s really no reason to wait whether the comment is positive or negative. Personal choice imo.
This team doesn’t really defend better imo, unless you’re using 2017-18 as the standard. It could defend better, but we’ll need to improve rapidly.
The crewe was here from the beginning.
they were really loud his second year, then Kansas happened. They all vanished then, of course, only to come back in force after Purdue.
this stuff goes way the **** beyond basketball with a lot of them.
Also, to say Prohm should've known NWB was going to be the PG he was is a little ridiculous. NWB played sparingly the year before at the 3-guard spot.
He was a 2-3 out of high school and at Arkansas too.
but we’re getting much further and further away from simple facts. They don’t fit the agenda.
Lindell was also recruited as a PG but got moved off to the SG because he fit there better. Does Prohm get credit for that?
coach hines opening this thread:
Hines, where are you? I need to buy you a beverage of your choice sometime.
Prohm should've seen what many saw from Lindell in prep ball and realized he's not a PG. Coleman was Oak Hill's PG and Lindell is a volume shooter. But sure, if it makes you feel better give Prohm credit for recruiting an undersized shooting guard who couldn't defend the broad side of a barn, then trying to force him into playing PG, then finally moving him to SG (the conclusion that should've been reached to begin with).
