Been to ND many, many times. The Irish Trumpets are a treasure and that video I posted as well.
Far too much controversy here...
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ISU got Orlando over Kansas St. because of fairly equal seasons, more attractive story lines, and a much better fan base.
Really isn’t much to add to it other than that.
Really isn’t much to add to it other than that.
Vegas had the WVU win total at 5.5 for the year and Brown went 5-7. Iowa State beat them by 24 in Morgantown and Tech beat them by 21 in Morgantown. They lost by 31 at Mizzou this year. When exactly did Neal Brown do this great coaching other than a single November weekend in Manhattan. Every metric says they were easily the 9th best team in the conference getting outscored on average 20-30 every game. This is the most insane post you have ever had.
Klieman looks like a good hire, but he inherited by far the best situation and loses a ton going into 2020, so there’s a slight asterisk next to him being the best hire.
He also took BU to OT and beat TCU. And he had very little to work with. What did Vegas have ISU's win total for the year?
Klieman has a ton coming back is what you meant, right? Josh Youngblood, Malik Knowles, Skylar Thompson, AJ Parker, Blake Lynch, Wyatt Hubert, Elijah Sullivan, on and on.
Baylor didn’t go into OT. So you should get your facts straight. Vegas win total for ISU was at 6.5 in 2018 and 8.0 in 2019. As a point of reference KSU win total was 6.5 in 2018 when they went 5-7.
Win Totals for this year
West Virginia 5.5
Kansas 3.0
Texas Tech 6.0
Kansas State 6.0
Oklahoma State 6.5
Baylor 6.5
TCU 7.5
Iowa State 8.0
Texas 9.5
Oklahoma 10.5
So now we're able to use beating teams under .500 for our argument?
What in the world does 2018 have to do with this discussion? Four of the schools don't even have the same coaches. But I like that you put these 2019 numbers up as they tell another story, they got Ku correct.
It is really simple if you look at this from a Kenpom/Phil Steele metrics standpoint. KSU and ISU have 9 common opponents. KSU had 5 home games versus ISU’s four.
KSU outscored opponents on average 26-24 in conference while ISU outscored 32-27. KSU was outgained on average 348-400 in yards. ISU outgained conference opponents on average 434-372.
Iowa State offensive yard per play was 6.58 (#16 nationally). Kansas State was 5.62 (#81 nationally. ISU defensive yard per play allowed was 5.23 (#37 nationally) and KSU was at 6.13 (#97 nationally).
As a KSU fan I would be happy that the game was played in a 45 mph crosswind. Luckily the Camping World Bowl could see the difference in strength of numbers and fanbase.
The “real story” is contained in the numbers which show that KSU numbers support them being the 6th or 7th best squad in the Big 12. Nothing short of a miracle to go 8-4 while being outgained by 52 yards every game and while being outgained .51 yards per play. By metrics they are probably the 70-75th best team in the nation. I have to think that the bowl committee saw those numbers and didn’t want a non-competitive situation in the Alamo, Camping World or Texas Bowl.
No, he loses a ton.
Leading rusher: gone
Leading receiver: gone
Most experienced OL in the country: all 5 gone
Leading tackler: gone
4 of top 5 DL: gone
Starting LB: gone
That’s a lot to lose.
If you don’t accept metrics as evidence of strength then you probably don’t believe in things like Global warning either. As for the same conditions argument, ISU throws for 318 yards per game compared to 186 yards per game for KSU. Which team will a 45 mph cross wind effect more? KSU was the tougher team that night and controlled the line of scrimmage in the run. The elements took care of the rest.
I guarantee you the purple idiot doesn't believe in climate change. Raging RWNJ.
Ooooh, I'd be careful about picking winners and losers and suggesting someone's non-competitive. ND has a good club.
And listen up, K-State has a fine opponent. Navy is 9-2 and ranked #21.
In a little while, this bowl order will be a non-story anyway for both our fanbases. Sorta like winning the recruiting battle. All that will matter is who won the games.
Granted, the climate changes. I believe in that. The wind blows. The snow falls. It rains. Always changing.
She has personally turned me against a team and fanbase that I legitimately liked. If she isn’t just trolling then God help us.
