OL going forward

[BWRhasnoAC]

Kleinow is switching to DL

Congrats to him. That's about the biggest compliment an Olineman can get. Basically means he's athletic enough to play there.

 

[CloneIce]

And yet somehow managed to score 16 against an FCS team in regulation, with other games of 17, 21, 23, and 17. You do see the problem here...

Yeah, I don’t think replacing our OC is justified.

 

[CloneIce]

Congrats to him. That's about the biggest compliment an Olineman can get. Basically means he's athletic enough to play there.

well, that and he hasn’t been able to break into the OL rotation.

 

[WIB]

All season the media wrote about how great and improved our O line is. I couldn't stand it. Not once did we control the game with the run, or take over with it. Breece had his moments but a lot of those were on him, not gaping holes. There are two players that are Big 12 level starters on that line. Downing and Knipfel. Everyone else is replaceable.

 

[83cy]

Not sure how good some of the guys in the program are, but their ranking have been better in general. If Campbell doesn't go after a transfer, then I would assume he is happy with the guys in the program.
ISU needs to do something about the rediculous number of false starts going forward. Maybe they need to have quick snap counts. I don't know, but it has been a glaring issue for the last two years, and has probably cost the team 3 or 4 wins, including last year's bowl game.

Agree, it also seems to my untrained eye defenses are jumping our snap count.

 

[Doc]

Agree, it also seems to my untrained eye defenses are jumping our snap count.

That’s what it looked like to my untrained eye last night, and I wonder if we were fiddling with it to confuse them. Clearly it just ended up confusing our guys. I wonder if Brock or Olson were tipping it.

 

[BCClone]

Not sure how good some of the guys in the program are, but their ranking have been better in general. If Campbell doesn't go after a transfer, then I would assume he is happy with the guys in the program.
ISU needs to do something about the rediculous number of false starts going forward. Maybe they need to have quick snap counts. I don't know, but it has been a glaring issue for the last two years, and has probably cost the team 3 or 4 wins, including last year's bowl game.

After OU this year and Wazzu finally had the refs flag them for simulated snaps late in our games, it’s apparent that we need to change from the clap snap.

 

[CyCloned]

Agree, it also seems to my untrained eye defenses are jumping our snap count.

Yes, it certainly seems like those guys that are blitzing are getting there as fast as the ball sometimes. Lots to work on, but no excuse for 6-7 falls starts in a game and ISU has done that 3 or 4 times in the last year. Other teams will have that many in a season.

 

[cymonw1980]

Looking at the roster, there is a dearth of Junior and Redshirt Jr OL. Lots of Freshmen, Redshirt Freshmen and Sophomores. Missing a recruiting class in there somewhere.

2016 Class: HS players from this class would be R-Sr in 2020, all left team but Foster
Sean Foster (On 2-Deep, has not looked good when he has been in)
Oge Udeogu (Got 6th year and transferred in 2019 for playing time at smaller school)
Josh Mueller (Left team in 2018)
Keenan Forbes (Left team in 2017)
Karson Green (Left team in 2017)

2017 Class: HS players from this class would be Sr/R-Jr in 2020
Colin Newell (Likely starter for next year, started playing as R-Fr in 2018)
Josh Knipfel (Graduating this year, Transferred to ISU with 3 yrs of eligibility)
Robert Hudson (Has gotten some pub, was scout team player of year in 2018)
Alex Kleinow (Still on team, I have seen him on the 2-deep at times, but not recently)
Jacob Bolton (Left team 2018)
Jeff Nogaj (Left team 2019)

We got 7 O-Linemen in 2018 (3) and 2019 (4) that will be R-Fr, R-So in 2020. But so far, only 3 guys from the 2016, 2017 classes have started and 6 left the team before seeing much/any action. So, those are the "missing" classes right now.

I think Campbell has done an incredible job, hope we can keep him for a long time. Overall talent level is up.... but the O-Line this year is made up of only 2 guys brought in by the current staff. The other 3 are R-Sr that came in CPR last season, two are former walk-ons.

Need o-line talent desperately... missed out on a few transfers - one was a highly regarded OT from Iowa Western that picked WVU over us.... Hope we can find a grad transfer like we did in 2016 (I believe they got a center from Minn that year that started the whole season and was one of their best o-linemen). I like some of the young guys but wonder if they will be ready.

 

[cymonw1980]

[QUOTE="cymonw1980, post: 6921374, member: 35157"Need o-line talent desperately... missed out on a few transfers - one was a highly regarded OT from Iowa Western that picked WVU over us.... Hope we can find a grad transfer like we did in 2016 (I believe they got a center from Minn that year that started the whole season and was one of their best o-linemen). I like some of the young guys but wonder if they will be ready.[/QUOTE]

The guy I was trying to remember was Brian Bobek. He started 12 games for us after starting his career at ohio state and then transferring to minn before joining ISU for his final season in 2016.

Here are the season notes on him:

"Dury Moss Outstanding Co-Newcomer of the Year … one of Iowa State’s top offensive linemen, starting all 12 games at center … one of five players to start all 12 games … aided the Cyclones to prolific offensive numbers, averaging 421.6 yards of total offense, the fifth-best total in school history … the Cyclones averaged 29.4 points and 439.8 yards of total offense in league play, both school records in the Big 12 era (1996-present) … helped pave the way for three 500-yard rushers, the first time a Cyclone team has achieved that feat. "

 

[norcalcy]

2016 Class: HS players from this class would be R-Sr in 2020, all left team
Sean Foster (On 2-Deep, has not looked good when he has been in)
Oge Udeogu (Got 6th year and transferred in 2019 for playing time at smaller school)
Josh Mueller (Left team in 2018)
Keenan Forbes (Left team in 2017)
Karson Green (Left team in 2017)

2017 Class: HS players from this class would be Sr/R-Jr in 2020
Colin Newell (Likely starter for next year, started playing as R-Fr in 2018)
Josh Knipfel (Graduating this year, Transferred to ISU with 3 yrs of eligibility)
Robert Hudson (Has gotten some pub, was scout team player of year in 2018)
Alex Kleinow (Still on team, I have seen him on the 2-deep at times, but not recently)
Jacob Bolton (Left team 2018)
Jeff Nogaj (Left team 2019)

We got 7 O-Linemen in 2018 (3) and 2019 (4) that will be R-Fr, R-So in 2020. But so far, only 3 guys from the 2016, 2017 classes have started and 6 left the team before seeing much/any action. So, those are the "missing" classes right now.

I think Campbell has done an incredible job, hope we can keep him for a long time. Overall talent level is up.... but the O-Line this year is made up of only 2 guys brought in by the current staff. The other 3 are R-Sr that came in CPR last season, two are former walk-ons.

Need o-line talent desperately... missed out on a few transfers - one was a highly regarded OT from Iowa Western that picked WVU over us.... Hope we can find a grad transfer like we did in 2016 (I believe they got a center from Minn that year that started the whole season and was one of their best o-linemen). I like some of the young guys but wonder if they will be ready.

Thanks for pulling this together. Definitely a hole in recruiting and development that haunted the program this year. Perplexing, but looks like a lot of bad luck.

 

[clonehoodie]

Big 12 defenses are poor, at best. The O-Line isn't given much priority because it doesn't have to be very good. Just pass-block for 2 seconds.

 

[Cyforce]

This is what I see.
Downing is going to be our by far best returer. He's shown quality that kept him on the field since given his shot.

Ramos looked elite all be it only a hand full of plays. Building chemistry on the left side for the next three years could be a great asset.

Newell and Schweiger competent but not overwhelmingly at center. This is a spot we could see a surprise entry.

Hudson by all accounts is a road grader perfect at RG.

Based solely on HS film I think Hufford has the inside track as 1st OG in.

RT Treiber had the look of an angry badass. Hopefully he's Big XII ready.

3rd OT nothing against Foster personally, he just plays so stiff and at 6-8 that causes issues

Guessing OT is going to be the JC/GT focus to compete and/or provide some depth.

 

[TheJackWePack5]

Kleinow is switching to DL

That’s an interesting development. Hadn’t seen anything on that.

 

[NATEizKING]

This discussion comes up every year (as it should, it is our glaring weakness). Here is my post from Dec. 4, 2018, and updated with 2020:

Average Player Rating:
2020: .8555
2019 .8504
2018 .8503
2015 .8367
2017 .8348
2013 .8289
2010 .8267
2016 .8240
2014 .8234
2012 .8219
2011 .7984

Highest Player Rating (rating, position rank, class rank, class):
OT Jake Campos .8918 #22 (#325) 2013
OT Sean Foster .8893 #34 (#345) 2016
OT Joey Ramos .8709 #48 (#633) 2018
OT Hayden Pauls .8700 #48 (#609) 2020
OG Trevor Downing .8640 #30 (#739) 2018
OT Grant Treiber .8635 #61 (#765) 2019
OG Duaron Williams .8621 #39 (#724) 2012
OT Jarrod Hufford .8561 #78 (#917) 2019
OT Jaypee Philber .8528 #17 (#80) 2015 - JUCO Gone
OT Tyler Miller .8525 #76 (#996) 2020
OT Brady Petersen .8519 #78 (#1000) 2020
OT Julian Good-Jones .8512 #91 (#855) 2015
OT Bob Graham .8510 #79 (#1067) 2010
OT Sam Rengert .8477 #92 (#1157) 2020
OT Bryce Meeker .8471 #101 (#958) 2015
OT Jake Remsburg .8465 #97 (#1170) 2019
OT Colin Newell .8441 #88 (#1006) 2017
OG Robert Hudson .8437 #90 (#1021) 2017
OG Ben Loth .8417 #89 (#1276) 2010
OT Shawn Curtis .8380 #80 (#1040) 2013
OG Darrell Simmons .8356 #72 (#1457) 2019
OG Cole Anderson .8351 #56 (#1112) 2014 - TE
OG Tom Farniok .8337 #77 (#1409) 2010
OG Josh Knipfel .8333 #16 (#132) 2017 - JUCO
OT Jacob Bolton .8300 #130 (#1394) 2017 - Gone
OG Oge Udeogu .8292 #19 (#163) 2016 - JUCO
OT Alex Kleinew .8290 #132 (#1414) 2017
OG Daniel Burton .8278 #113 (#1247) 2012
OT Nick Severs .8255 #101 (#1282) 2013
OG Jeff Nogaj .8284 #135 (#1435) 2017
OG Jacob Homa .8248 #81 (#1296) 2013
OT Kory Kodanko .8240 #116 (#1330) 2014
OT Shaban Dika .8229 #111 (#1627) 2010
OG Jon Caspers .8222 #14 (#84) 2010 - JUCO
OT Wendell Taiese .8215 #23 (#174) 2014
OG Zach Ross .8160 #85 (#1894) 2018
OG Will Windham .8129 #85 (#1577) 2014
OT Dylan Soehner .8125 #145 (#1775) 2015 - TE
OT Brock Dagel .8080 #118 (#1368) 2011
OG Oni Omoille .8066 #92 (#1397) 2011
OT Jamison Lalk .8064 #119 (#1399) 2011
OG Ryan Glenn .8045 #97 (#1695) 2013
OG Keenan Forbes .8032 #112 (#2008) 2016 - Gone
OG Patrick Scoggins .7957 #5 (#223) 2015 - JUCO Gone
OT Jacob Gannon .7889 #151 (#2074) 2010
OG Robert Garcia .7886 #124 (#2082) 2013
OG Karson Green .7859 #17 (#309) 2016 - JUCO Gone
OT Jacob Dunning .7757 #202 (#2097) 2012
OG Samuel Tautolo .7726 #8 (#119) 2012 - JUCO

 

[NATEizKING]

Quite amazing to me, 4 (the whole 2020 class) of the top 15 OL recruits of the last decade are from this 2020 class.

3 of the top 16 are from the 2019 class. That is 7 of 16 OL recruits being the highest rated from the last decade in the last 2 classes.

 

[CascadeClone]

And yet somehow managed to score 16 against an FCS team in regulation, with other games of 17, 21, 23, and 17. You do see the problem here...

The problem is the O-line. Has been for a long time. I / we say it every year...

When they get push, open holes, and protect the QB -- many happy points are scored.

When they get bullied around - whether thru scheme (UNI every gd year) or thru physicality (Iowa this year, Texas last year, K St 2 nights ago) then the offense really struggles.

Clones got beat up front saturday night, and that is still how you win/lose football games. Plus 2 on turnovers, and lost by 10??? They got manhandled by K State, period.

 

[JM4CY]

Big 12 defenses are poor, at best. The O-Line isn't given much priority because it doesn't have to be very good. Just pass-block for 2 seconds.

Wut...

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

Not sure how good some of the guys in the program are, but their ranking have been better in general. If Campbell doesn't go after a transfer, then I would assume he is happy with the guys in the program.
ISU needs to do something about the rediculous number of false starts going forward. Maybe they need to have quick snap counts. I don't know, but it has been a glaring issue for the last two years, and has probably cost the team 3 or 4 wins, including last year's bowl game.

Iowa State was one of the least penalized teams in the country... Friday was an anomaly but false starts tend to happen frequently when you are absolutely getting your *ss kicked in the trenches.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

The problem is the O-line. Has been for a long time. I / we say it every year...

When they get push, open holes, and protect the QB -- many happy points are scored.

When they get bullied around - whether thru scheme (UNI every gd year) or thru physicality (Iowa this year, Texas last year, K St 2 nights ago) then the offense really struggles.

Clones got beat up front saturday night, and that is still how you win/lose football games. Plus 2 on turnovers, and lost by 10??? They got manhandled by K State, period.

Iowa State actually controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball this year against Iowa.