Son watched the dual, I was working, and he said at minimum there should have been two defensive back points. Said he felt it was an easy four points but should have at least been some even with a slow count.
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Son watched the dual, I was working, and he said at minimum there should have been two defensive back points. Said he felt it was an easy four points but should have at least been some even with a slow count.
My dad and I were very confused that he didn’t get the 2 when it looked like the official clearly counted 2. Anybody know what happened there?
I thought there was a definite 2 for a danger count during the last scramble. Official was slow to start, and finish, the count.
I think that is the signal for the count.
Update - just found a video from NCAAs. The hand moving straight up and down is exactly how the neutral danger count is signaled.
https://www.flowrestling.org/events...playing=6405782&facets={"Round":"Semifinals"}
You’re correct. After watching it again, it was definitely a count, and the officially definitely counted twice. Started a third and stopped.
I still dont like the refs on the mat get to look at their own challenge call. They are very unlikely to change their call that they originally went with.
@crablegs I thought the danger count should have been awarded too. Degen had the high ground, the ref counted off two, two should have been awarded.
They were very quick to award the danger counts with the Lee/Mackall scrambles.
As for the locked hands, with half of Hilton yelling out "2!!!" and Lugo getting both his arms around Jarrett, Degen thought Lugo had the reversal and threw on the chest wrap to horse him over for the pin. I may be wearing my homer goggles, but looking back at the match it looked like Lugo reversed to me also. Degen was on his butt and Lugo had his arms around him, but I could be wrong.
@Scott34 Ditto on the needing a third party for the challenge calls as they have in freestyle.
They were very quick to award the danger counts with the Lee/Mackall scrambles.
As for the locked hands, with half of Hilton yelling out "2!!!" and Lugo getting both his arms around Jarrett, Degen thought Lugo had the reversal and threw on the chest wrap to horse him over for the pin. I may be wearing my homer goggles, but looking back at the match it looked like Lugo reversed to me also. Degen was on his butt and Lugo had his arms around him, but I could be wrong.
@Scott34 Ditto on the needing a third party for the challenge calls as they have in freestyle.
There is no such thing as “defensive back points.” There is a neutral danger zone takedown (2 points) when the back is exposed past 90 degrees for a 2 count. The ref in this case ruled there was no 2 count. He was either counting multiple 1 counts and/or he motioned Lugo went back to 90 degrees or less. The count restarts each time. There’s no scenario where 4 points are rewarded like a near fall.
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Honest question, will the wrestling clubs that the top schools have like PSU, OSU, and Iowa create something of a permanent advantage for them? I mean I know ISU is working hard to improve their club, but that Mizzou kid transferred to Iowa specifically for it right? Doesn’t PSU pick up guys in their club from other places? It just seems to me that it will be very, very difficult to get the level of recruit those schools get if they can constantly tout the training partners they’ll have because of their club programs.
I’m 100% a novice but this just seems to be a huge, huge advantage for the top programs right now.
I’m 100% a novice but this just seems to be a huge, huge advantage for the top programs right now.
You may be a novice, but you’re 100% correct. Dresser is doing a lot to try to build the RTC at ISU. Until it’s built, it will be difficult to land the biggest recruits. They want to go places where they can make world/Olympic teams.
If he counted to 3 he would have awarded 2 points. He either had separate 1/2 counts or one of his motions was to say Lugo went back to 90 or more degrees.
