Watching B12 media days, here are rule changes ...

[RonBurgundy]

I think there are obvious flops and happy those might get called. But there are other instances when a defender believes he is in position to take a charge, and begins to let himself fall backwards in order to protect his safety. I would hope refs can see the difference. Requiring a player to let someone crash into them in order to avoid the appearance of a flop is dangerous.

 

[cycloner29]

1. post play will be cleaned up - no more arm-barring off the post or bullying over the defender, Dok
2. traveling will be enforced particularly on the post and with step-back jumpers which effectively won't be allowed
3. defenders will not be allowed to undercut jump shooters
4. shooters will not be allowed to leg kick
5. flopping will be a foul - no more Wigg's head-bobs, sitting down on a charge, or Marcus Smart-like flopping after shot
6. piling on any player on the floor regardless the circumstances will be a foul
7. shot clock resets to 20-secs after offensive rebound
8. three-point line moved to international distance

4. ...but defensive players can. Insert Dustin Houge Kung Fu Fighting kick!
6. So when Haliburton hits a game winning three in Lawrence to beat KU the refs could call a foul on ISU if the players on the court piled onto him?

 

[Doc]

False. Case in point, if a player is on the floor and another jumps on him, that's a foul.

That one is gonna be bad news for the Hawkeyes.

 

[BillBrasky4Cy]

It's always fun watching these new rules get enforced to a T during the non con and then conference play starts and everything goes out the window.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

So wrong. The player gets the ball and thus establishes his pivot. He then drops back one foot followed by the other and that's traveling, pure and simple unless he somehow jump-stops backward which is tough gymnastics.

Wrong. A player is usually in the gather stage from dribbling on the step backward thus making the first foot back the pivot then bring the second back. Now a James Harden step back taking 3 steps should be a travel, but a true step back is not.

 

[cyclones500]

Uh, yeah. Kicking the ball is not part of the game.

I think the gist of rule is, intentional kicking isn't allowed, ball inadvertent striking a player's foot does not stop play unless the ball goes out of bounds. Maybe @KCClone1's main point is, interpretation isn't always applied correctly. (Just a guess on my part).

 

[VeloClone]

I think the gist of rule is, intentional kicking isn't allowed, ball inadvertent striking a player's foot does not stop play unless the ball goes out of bounds. Maybe @KCClone1's main point is, interpretation isn't always applied correctly. (Just a guess on my part).

I agree when a bounce pass hits a defender's stationary foot, but if the defender moves the foot to interrupt a pass it should be called a kick. I have seen the stationary foot get called and it shouldn't but this rule is the least of my concerns.

 

[Halincandenza]

I don’t understand what they mean by bullying a defender? I mean if you are bigger and stronger you move a guy without it being a foul. Seems like an area that is going to be all over the place. Same with flopping. A lot of subjectivity. Also, points of emphasis are always big the the first couple weeks and go away as the season goes on.

 

[JeanValette]

It's always fun watching these new rules get enforced to a T during the non con and then conference play starts and everything goes out the window.

Especially true during any West Virginia game.

 

[VeloClone]

I don’t understand what they mean by bullying a defender? I mean if you are bigger and stronger you move a guy without it being a foul. Seems like an area that is going to be all over the place. Same with flopping. A lot of subjectivity. Also, points of emphasis are always big the the first couple weeks and go away as the season goes on.

If a defender has legal guarding position how do you move him without violating this rule?

Art. 5. The following principles apply to post play and constitute fouls when violated:

a. Neither the offense nor defense may dislodge an opponent during post play by pushing, backing into, or using a leg, knee or arm to move an opponent from a legally established position; (Exception: Rule 10-1.5.d)

The bigger player hammering his ass into a defender repeatedly knocking him off the block has been an undercalled foul for decades.

 

[srjclone]

So wrong. The player gets the ball and thus establishes his pivot. He then drops back one foot followed by the other and that's traveling, pure and simple unless he somehow jump-stops backward which is tough gymnastics.

You are letting the NBA step-backs cloud your judgement of what a step back jumper is.

 

[surly]

You are letting the NBA step-backs cloud your judgement of what a step back jumper is.

These are not my rules.

 

[surly]

Wrong. A player is usually in the gather stage from dribbling on the step backward thus making the first foot back the pivot then bring the second back. Now a James Harden step back taking 3 steps should be a travel, but a true step back is not.

Once more, this is how the rule is being administered. If he's established his pivot and does the step back, it's traveling.

 

[surly]

If a defender has legal guarding position how do you move him without violating this rule?

You don't. That's the point of the rule.

 

[VeloClone]

You don't. That's the point of the rule.

I know. I was asking @Halincandenza because he disagrees.

 

[Halincandenza]

Once more, this is how the rule is being administered. If he's established his pivot and does the step back, it's traveling.

That has always been traveling.

 

[FOREVERTRUE]

Once more, this is how the rule is being administered. If he's established his pivot and does the step back, it's traveling.

And I agree with this, but you were dismissing all step backs. A true step back much like a true euro step is not a travel, because the pivot isn't established in the gather.

 

[Halincandenza]

I know. I was asking @Halincandenza because he disagrees.

If they are not going to let the defender to be physical with the offensive player I agree. However, they have always allowed the defender to body up a player and use an arm bar. So if you are letting the defender by physical I see no reason why it would be a foul for a big to back someone down. But I guess now that they are getting rid of the arm bar for defenders and you aren't supposed to be in an offensive players cylinder or whatever that is they call it then I am ok with calling a foul on an offensive player for displacing a defender in a legal guarding position.

 

[srjclone]

These are not my rules.

I was basing my response on your post. You can certainly shoot a step back without travelling.

 

[Halincandenza]

And I agree with this, but you were dismissing all step backs. A true step back much like a true euro step is not a travel, because the pivot isn't established in the gather.

I just don't think he knows what a step back is.