Official ISU-Nebraska Post Game Thread

Guess what?

Without money you can't build better facilities.
Without better facilities you can't recruit better talent.
Without better talent you can't win.

We played this game throughout the entire 1980s and 1990s - how did not raising money to spend on significant facility improvements help us win in that era? Answer - it sunk us into an abysmal pit that we're still trying to recover from right now.

I'm sorry - if you don't think that all these facility improvements that JP's implementing is necessary, then you truly must be okay with mediocre (at best) performances by our athletic programs.
It's not that I don't think we need these facility improvements, because we do. I just find it frustrating how we're spending all this money on improving our stadium rather than continuing to improve our practice facilities and such. How do you expect we fill a newly expanded stadium with a team that may continue to lose? If we invested more into developing our talent first, then we would begin to win and thus have more sellouts/near sellout games. Therein the need to expand the stadium. Further, we already have some pretty good facilities, so why not use some of this on more recruiting or weights or even better staff (strength & condintioning, I hear that's important). From this aspect I view it as Pollard wanting to make us into this perennial (spelling?) powerhouse overnight which just can't happen. Build up the TEAM, then follow with the STADIUM, just makes sense to me. No one is going to want to "invest" their millions of dollars in a team that can't win. So Pollard must've missed the memo on that...
 
Agreed - what a lot of people don't understand right now is the coaching staff is working with either McCarney's poor recruits or Chizik's young recruits that simply are not ready for Big 12 play yet.

In fact, that's pretty much the story with the entire team - either they're McCarney's guys that aren't Big 12 caliber players or are Chizik's guys that have been here for a total of one year and aren't ready for Big 12 play yet.

In fact, I think people have forgotten that Chizik has already stated that we just don't have the talent here to compete yet. But I guess the "we must win right now" crowd would also expect Chizik to go undefeated in the Big 12 with the players from Des Moines North HS.

As far as us not being competitive, get back to me in 2-3 years when we're playing with all of Chizik's players. If not much has changed 2-3 years from now, I may consider jumping on the bandwagon. Unitl then, I'm not calling for a coach's head until unti they've been given a REAL chance to turn this thing around.

No matter how bad the players are, the coaching staff should be able to get the most out of those players every game. If anybody thinks this coaching staff is getting the most out of these players, I disagree.

I hope that changes.
 
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I don't see any improvement in this team from game to game and that is what's disappointing to me right now.

Everyone else seems to be getting better...but not us.

Our coaches seem to be less than stellar on game day with questionable calls and a general lack of fire amongst the players.

I fully expected us to come out angry and play mad the whole game. It didn't look like we did. Then again, I thought we'd do the same at Baylor and we laid down there as well.

I understand the team is young, but there seems to be something going on that doesn't involve youth.

If I was an outsider looking in, I would say that we're not a well coached team.
 
For those of you who don't think Arnaud is hurt at all: we averaged 3.9 yards per pass attempt today with a quarterback that, when healthy, has a very strong arm. If Arnaud wasn't hurt, why have we had credible sources say that he is? If Arnaud wasn't hurt, why was Tiller warming up during the Baylor game?

But in this game, Arnaud didn't even matter. We wouldn't have won this game with Peyton Manning.

We had absolutely no chance to get a running game going. Our secondary had absolutely no chance with how much time Ganz got. In the trenches, we were manhandled.
 
I guess we can hope our young players currently performing poorly will somehow improve, I'll agree with you there. But I've been around long enough to have heard that logic before (Meyers class being the latest).

The line is bad, so it's hard to say how good or bad the skill position players are. However, there are way too many examples of running routes short, running east-west when all you have to do is fall forward for a first down, etc. Arnaud has regressed, he was much better last year. Chizik supposedly recruits great athletes, but how do they compare to other Big12 freshmen/sophomores? Not favorably at this point.

I'll listen to logic, but blind hope and excuses about young players wear thin.

I don'tcare who's recruit he is, Chizik is his coach now. There is no logic error there.

Arnaud played enough last year to compare. He made throws last year and actually led the team when he was in. He has done that at times this year, certainly not the last few games nor for an entire game this year.

First you accuse put the responsibility of bringing Arnaud on Chizik, then I correct you by saying that it was McCarney's recruit, then you come back by saying that you don't care who recruited him. Guess what - there's an error in logic there.

Like I said - 3-4 years from now, when we're playing with solely Chizik's players, if we're still struggling like this I might think differently. But until then I'm not changing my tune - Chizik gets his fair chance to turn this around, and a fair chance is not 1.5 seasons when he has a severe deprivation of talent to work with.
 
I have been getting a lot of flack for calling for Chizik's job. A lot has been said about me. I don't know much, but I was an All-American athlete... My father started as a basketball player at Iowa State. I know at least a little about winning. Winning is a mentality and an attitude. Making excuses is not what winners do. Waiting to win is not what winners do. Waiting until next year is not what winners do. The time is now. Time to find a way to win. Period.
 
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For those of you who don't think Arnaud is hurt at all: we averaged 3.9 yards per pass attempt today with a quarterback that, when healthy, has a very strong arm. If Arnaud wasn't hurt, why have we had credible sources say that he is? If Arnaud wasn't hurt, why was Tiller warming up during the Baylor game?

But in this game, Arnaud didn't even matter. We wouldn't have won this game with Peyton Manning.

We had absolutely no chance to get a running game going. Our secondary had absolutely no chance with how much time Ganz got. In the trenches, we were manhandled.

I have not heard about an injury, what happened?
 
Any opinions on the play calling today?

I found out today why we don't use our tight ends -- they can't catch.
 
First you accuse put the responsibility of bringing Arnaud on Chizik, then I correct you by saying that it was McCarney's recruit, then you come back by saying that you don't care who recruited him. Guess what - there's an error in logic there.

Like I said - 3-4 years from now, when we're playing with solely Chizik's players, if we're still struggling like this I might think differently. But until then I'm not changing my tune - Chizik gets his fair chance to turn this around, and a fair chance is not 1.5 seasons when he has a severe deprivation of talent to work with.

At no point did I say Chizik recruited Arnaud.
 
Any opinions on the play calling today?

I found out today why we don't use our tight ends -- they can't catch.

Glad you finally realized that. The only reason why I thought our tight ends could catch is because I initially thought Houston Jones was a TE. Now that I know that...
 
They need to stop doing screen passes and thoose runs. They need to throw it down field. We're to pedictable.
 
Winners don't give up. They don't kick when they need a TD to win. They expect to win. Chizik doesn't expect to win. There is no fire. No taking chances. He needs to take a page from Stoops' book. At ISU next season may not be better. We have the potential this year. 5 wins and we go to a bowl. Chizik needs to get off his buttocks and take some chances.... Time to be a motivator. Not wait for another year to collect another paycheck.
 
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Not directly, but when you mention how Arnaud's regressed and then call Chizik out over his recruiting immediately after that, there's direct implication.

There was no implication, none at all.

I'm sorry you can't follow, but there were two distinct points. One is that people are big on his recruits, but I don't see how they are up to par with the rest of the Big12. The second is that his players are not playing up to their ability.
 
Agreed - what a lot of people don't understand right now is the coaching staff is working with either McCarney's poor recruits or Chizik's young recruits that simply are not ready for Big 12 play yet.

And Chizik is a better recruiter? His first two classes have been ranked last or next-to-last in the Big XII. Do you think today's effort will impress the recruits we had up for visits?
It's easy to talk about McCarney's "poor recruits." Give me some names as examples...
 
play calling ISU VS. NEB

We need to stop throwing screens and doing thoose runs. We need to take RISKS and throw it down field.
 

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