Iowa State Daily article about Prohm and LW

I find this comment comical. Lindell's return just so happened to coincide with the start to Big 12 play. The pre-Lindell team would have won 5-6 Big 12 games. The pre-Lindell team lost to a very bad Arizona team and beat very bad Illinois and SDSU teams. It then beat up on a bunch of no-names. So let's consider the competition a bit before suggesting the pre-Lindell squad was better.

What about the game where we destroyed Kansas and Lindell played 17 minutes with 2-11 shooting?

You'll have to point out where I said it was better without him. Simply saying we were winning and Prohm had a forumla that seemed to be working so it was wise to ease Lindell back in.
 
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I personally have been on both sides of this discussion trying to think my way through it. The only real criticism I have is I think he should have put Lindell into the game sooner when we often started out stagnant in the 2nd half. Always waiting till we were past the first media timeout seemed arbitrary and extended our scoring droughts.

Sums up my thoughts on the matter.
 
Prohm was far from perfect this year in managing this team. Lard and Wigginton struggled with consistency on at least one end of the floor. I think the best we played was Nov-Jan so I see why he did what he did.

Also it would have been hard to forecast Haliburton and THT completely falling off the map at the end of the year.

Hopefully Prohm and the team will learn from this year and be better in the future as a result.

I actually wonder how the season would have gone if Lard and Wigginton had not returned to the team. I understand that the ceiling was higher with them, but they sure seemed to bring issues with them. We had obvious chemistry issues in 2017-2018 and then again the second half of this year. I thought some of the issue might have been Jackson the first year, but I doubt that now and I'm pretty sure the issue wasn't NWB.
 
Agree with the article 100%. Its also obvious to me that alot of you commenting have never played sports at a high level. Chemistry issues will arise when you know you are a better player and you are forced to watch the game from the bench the first 6 minutes of every half.

Not to mention when you are the better player, lose your spot to no fault of your own, then get put behind two freshman who havent payed their dues yet.

I shouldnt even mention the fact that Prohm publicly came out after the season and apologized at how he handled the situation. Oh, and he pretty much lied to everybody saying Lindell would be put back in the lineup soon. He should have been put back as a starter over TH, he hit the freshman wall about halfway through the Big 12 season and we ended up with 2 guys starting who were the exact same player and had minimal impact on the offensive end.

Overall, Prohm completely botched Wigginton and Lard this year.
 
Agree with the article 100%. Its also obvious to me that alot of you commenting have never played sports at a high level. Chemistry issues will arise when you know you are a better player and you are forced to watch the game from the bench the first 6 minutes of every half.

Not to mention when you are the better player, lose your spot to no fault of your own, then get put behind two freshman who havent payed their dues yet.

I shouldnt even mention the fact that Prohm publicly came out after the season and apologized at how he handled the situation. Oh, and he pretty much lied to everybody saying Lindell would be put back in the lineup soon. He should have been put back as a starter over TH, he hit the freshman wall about halfway through the Big 12 season and we ended up with 2 guys starting who were the exact same player and had minimal impact on the offensive end.

Overall, Prohm completely botched Wigginton and Lard this year.

I think Wigginton and Lard had a hand in botching themselves too.
 
When LW has dudes like this in his ear I don’t envy being a college coach of dudes with friends like this.

Well, if there's anything that I know about Prohm, it's how much he cares about himself and his own image.

Couple of bro looking mf'ers anyway.
 
Agree with the article 100%. Its also obvious to me that alot of you commenting have never played sports at a high level. Chemistry issues will arise when you know you are a better player and you are forced to watch the game from the bench the first 6 minutes of every half.

Not to mention when you are the better player, lose your spot to no fault of your own, then get put behind two freshman who havent payed their dues yet.

I shouldnt even mention the fact that Prohm publicly came out after the season and apologized at how he handled the situation. Oh, and he pretty much lied to everybody saying Lindell would be put back in the lineup soon. He should have been put back as a starter over TH, he hit the freshman wall about halfway through the Big 12 season and we ended up with 2 guys starting who were the exact same player and had minimal impact on the offensive end.

Overall, Prohm completely botched Wigginton and Lard this year.

I was actually tracking with some of what you were saying until the bolded line. Are you saying TH and THT were essentially the same player?
 
Agree with the article 100%. Its also obvious to me that alot of you commenting have never played sports at a high level. Chemistry issues will arise when you know you are a better player and you are forced to watch the game from the bench the first 6 minutes of every half.

Not to mention when you are the better player, lose your spot to no fault of your own, then get put behind two freshman who havent payed their dues yet.

I shouldnt even mention the fact that Prohm publicly came out after the season and apologized at how he handled the situation. Oh, and he pretty much lied to everybody saying Lindell would be put back in the lineup soon. He should have been put back as a starter over TH, he hit the freshman wall about halfway through the Big 12 season and we ended up with 2 guys starting who were the exact same player and had minimal impact on the offensive end.

Overall, Prohm completely botched Wigginton and Lard this year.

lol
 
Agree with the article 100%. Its also obvious to me that alot of you commenting have never played sports at a high level. Chemistry issues will arise when you know you are a better player and you are forced to watch the game from the bench the first 6 minutes of every half.

Not to mention when you are the better player, lose your spot to no fault of your own, then get put behind two freshman who havent payed their dues yet.

I shouldnt even mention the fact that Prohm publicly came out after the season and apologized at how he handled the situation. Oh, and he pretty much lied to everybody saying Lindell would be put back in the lineup soon. He should have been put back as a starter over TH, he hit the freshman wall about halfway through the Big 12 season and we ended up with 2 guys starting who were the exact same player and had minimal impact on the offensive end.

Overall, Prohm completely botched Wigginton and Lard this year.

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When LW has dudes like this in his ear I don’t envy being a college coach of dudes with friends like this.
I should note, both of these dudes have Nova Scotia listed in their profiles. One of them is also usually commenting on Iowa State basketball posts on Instagram crapping all over Prohm.
 
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But Wigginton's draft stock as undoubtedly dropped as a result of the way he was played.


That’s wrong.
Like his playing time, his stock dropped as a result of how he played. The NBA guys don’t care about his per game numbers. He came back and slightly improved, but he was the same version of the Wigginton we saw last year.

As a communications person, I need to point out the last six words of that sentence have quite another meaning, regardless of whether it was written that way intentionally.
 
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This is where I'm at. This whole article just comes off really REALLY sloppy to me.
There's a reason I haven't read the daily since I was attending ISU. It's great for a student newspaper, but it's still a student newspaper.
 
Here's a thought-- if Wigginton wasn't playing up to his potential, as many here seem to think, isn't it a coaches job to try to do something to reverse that? Lindell is obviously talented. Maybe some of his struggles were due to his coming off the bench. Some people are great at providing that off the bench energy role, some aren't. So why didn't he at least try a different approach at some point with Wiggy in hopes of getting him going?

Perhaps, because it wasn't good for LW??? In real life, you need to be productive under circumstances that are best for your team/organization. If it was better for the team for LW to come off the bench, then he needed to learn how to "get himself going" under that circumstance. Isn't college supposed to prepare you for real life? In my experience, people who need to be coddled in order for them to produce suck the life out of an organization.

Read the wikipedia article on Bob McAdoo. He had been a starter all his life, and he disliked not starting for the Lakers, but he knew if he came off the bench as they asked him to, he would achieve something much bigger than the immediate gratification of starting...he could win NBA titles...which he did with the Lakers. Apart from the Lakers, during his NBA career, McAdoo started a lot of games, mostly for mediocre/losing teams that rarely made it to the playoffs.
 
I know nothing about Wigginton's ability to be coached, but you cannot simply place blame on Prohm for LW's shortcomings because we don't have all of the details. If LW wasn't going to listen and really, fully accept his role then that would be on him and no one else.

I totally agree and basically said as much a few post down from the post you quoted. It's a complex situation where things can't be viewed in a vacuum. But I was more responding to the posters who suggested his play didn't warrant starting. We know what he's capable of, and I think it's a coach's job to get as much out of his players as possible. And maybe Prohm did just that this year-- who knows...?
 

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