Iowa State Daily article about Prohm and LW

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  1. SCyclone

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    First of all, I highly doubt CSP and his staff are worried about showcasing Wigginton's skills for NBA scouts. That's more of a distraction than anything else.

    Second, after the injury, the rotation had been established. Most coaches don't like messing with rotations, particularly when the team is playing well (as they were in December and early January).

    Third, is Marner some sort of relation to Wigginton? He almost makes it sound like CSP was intentionally destroying Wigginton's draft stock.

    CSP has to run his team the way he thinks it needs to be run. Armchair coach all you want....but you're not getting paid a lot of money to achieve results.
     
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  2. Cyclonepride

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    It was an intellectually shallow hit piece that does not delve deeper than "very talented player coming off the bench when he should have started", without going into any of the reasons why that happened.
     
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  3. CyTwins

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    Bravo
     
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    ForbinsAscynt Well-Known Member

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    I see your point but Tom also got his job back when Jimmy G was playing well. Wentz got his job back after Foles won a SB. I just think it sends the right message to the players.
     
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  5. Cyclad

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    I agree. While is was happening, I thought CSP handled the overall situation well. Very tough situation. We were playing great team ball without Wigg or Lard. Appeared to be great chemistry. I think everyone knew that too reach our ceiling we needed a good Wigg and Lard, and I know I wondered how it would impact chemistry. Lard was a train wreak, enough on him. Wigg is a fabulous athlete and very capable at manufacturing shots, something we needed badly. But, especially early after his return, he seemed out of control. His passing was bad, I used to scream at the TV, shoot it, do not turn it over with a pass! He just never seemed to get in sync. Some people argue that’s because he needed to start. I kind of doubt that would have helped. In this case, I am not sure hindsight is 20/20. I do not know if he should have been handled differently. My gut says CSP tried to do what he thought was the best for the TEAM. Did it work out? I cannot even answer that question. During B12 tourney - yes. During ncaa - no. Season as a whole - ?.
     
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  6. Cydkar

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    I didn't read but Marner is a weird dude. I had to unfollow him on twitter to avoid the weirdness.

    That said, I bet I'd agree with some of what he said and disagree with some. The season is over and I don't read any articles about a season that is over. Literally.
     
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  7. AuH2O

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    I think it also sends a bad message to the team that you get to start even though you are the most explosive athlete on the court but can't stay in front if anybody on the defensive end.
    I would've been fine with LW starting over THT but LW getting starter minutes from the bench isn't some travesty.
    He played played big minutes had the ball a lot and had a green light.
     
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  8. Stewo

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    Wigginton (and THT) were so hot and cold. They hurt us nearly as much as they helped throughout the season. Also, people need to move past the idea that ISU was "the most talented team in the Big 12" crap. We weren't the most talented, but we did have some high ceiling guys. Talent should be defined as the ability to play a consistent high level. Shayok and probably TH were far and away the most consistent throughout the season. Two guys playing at a high level most every night isn't good enough and that's what we saw this season.
     
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  9. CTTB78

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    I think the writer was spot on with his premise that CSP stuck to the pattern vs. going with the flow of
    the game. Wiggy came in at the 14 minute mark both halves regardless of how bad the the NBA audition ball was going with THT. When THT came out cold in the tOSU game, Prohm was not "quick about yanking him", he stuck to the pattern in both halves.
     
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  10. kcdc4isu

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    Can someone tell where this Marner guy is the head coach of a college basketball team?
     
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  11. Clonefan32

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    Here's a thought-- if Wigginton wasn't playing up to his potential, as many here seem to think, isn't it a coaches job to try to do something to reverse that? Lindell is obviously talented. Maybe some of his struggles were due to his coming off the bench. Some people are great at providing that off the bench energy role, some aren't. So why didn't he at least try a different approach at some point with Wiggy in hopes of getting him going?
     
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  12. mj4cy

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    I saw Lindell make a lot of good plays getting fouled and creating shots, but I also saw a whole heck of a lot of out of control plays too that resulted in a bad shot or turnover. Lots of people forget how good our record was when he started coming back and how we'd found an identity.
     
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    While I disagree with the article for the most part, it is hilarious to read all of the criticism of it here given all of the posters who said the exact same thing all season long.
     
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    I find this comment comical. Lindell's return just so happened to coincide with the start to Big 12 play. The pre-Lindell team would have won 5-6 Big 12 games. The pre-Lindell team lost to a very bad Arizona team and beat very bad Illinois and SDSU teams. It then beat up on a bunch of no-names. So let's consider the competition a bit before suggesting the pre-Lindell squad was better.
     
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  15. acgclone

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    Prohm was far from perfect this year in managing this team. Lard and Wigginton struggled with consistency on at least one end of the floor. I think the best we played was Nov-Jan so I see why he did what he did.

    Also it would have been hard to forecast Haliburton and THT completely falling off the map at the end of the year.

    Hopefully Prohm and the team will learn from this year and be better in the future as a result.
     
  16. Tre4ISU

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    I wonder how long we'll do this. My guess is well into next season.
     
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    Is Marner related to Uncle Randy by chance?
     
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  18. Clonefan32

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    I do think the article is somewhat comical given Prohm basically admitted as much. He's on record with Travis Hines basically saying he's second-guessed himself for his handling of LW. But it is what it is, and there's no way to know if a different approach would have helped.
     
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  19. tim_redd

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    I personally have been on both sides of this discussion trying to think my way through it. The only real criticism I have is I think he should have put Lindell into the game sooner when we often started out stagnant in the 2nd half. Always waiting till we were past the first media timeout seemed arbitrary and extended our scoring droughts.
     
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  20. Stewo

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    I know nothing about Wigginton's ability to be coached, but you cannot simply place blame on Prohm for LW's shortcomings because we don't have all of the details. If LW wasn't going to listen and really, fully accept his role then that would be on him and no one else.
     
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