Will Prohm ever win a championship?

It’s fine to contact those guys, but it’d be a lateral move for Keats and Hopkins. They are better situated where they’re at. Who knows on Marshall, but he hasn’t been given enough money to switch jobs yet.

He wanted to come to Iowa State when Hoiberg left but he was too pricey for our wallet.
 
When did Cyclone fans become so entitled?[/QUOTE]

It probably occurred after we went to the NCAA tournament six years in a row, won three conference tournament titles, spent nearly 3 of those six years in the Top 25 and had the AD tell everyone 3 years into Fred’s tenure that they had to donate twice as much each year to keep their seats no matter whether they were in the parquet or the center balcony sections. That was when the bar got raised.
 
I would be interested in how people view the Iowa State program/job compared to others in the Big 12. Facilities, recruiting, fanbases, etc.

I think many of us view Iowa State as the 3rd most desirable program in the Big 12 behind Kansas and Texas. I also know that we generally pay coaches including Fred and Steve in the lower 3rd of the league. Maybe we are the 7th or 8th most desirable program in the league and should be ecstatic to get to the NCAA tournament 75% of the time.

Just interested where everyone thinks the Iowa State program ranks.

It’s a good job. Lute Olson called it a top 35 job. I think it’s in that range. Hilton is a known commodity, and considered a top arena.

But like everything else in the college landscape, football is the economic driver
 
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It’s fine to contact those guys, but it’d be a lateral move for Keats and Hopkins. They are better situated where they’re at. Who knows on Marshall, but he hasn’t been given enough money to switch jobs yet.

I would prefer our next coach has p5 experience. So lateral at a minimum is what I would expect, but I know that's not JP's style.
 
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Objectively, I would put us behind, and not necessarily in order;

Kansas
Texas
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
West Virginia

I wrote the other two "state" schools because I think their history is a bit better than ours. Kansas is a no-brainer, West Virginia has been really good under Huggins (until this season), and OU and Texas have more and better resources.

I do think we're a better program than the rest of the Texas schools.

I think Big12 coaches would have our program rated second behind Kansas. Most of the other Big12 arenas are half empty.

This may just sum up the starting points between the two camps. If you view ISU as clearly behind KU but no others then you are probably a little concerned about the current state. If you view us as the 6th or 7th best program in the league then we are meeting or exceeding this position and things are more or less okay.
 
ISU's ranking depends on how many years you want to go back. If it's the last 7 years, we're number 2, easily.
 
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I still say that Prohm is a good coach. He needs to figure out how to win at home. Anyway, the OP implied that because we improved a lot from last year to this year, Prohm is a good coach. We improved that much because of excellent recruiting, not necessarily because of excellent coaching, and that a coach can be an excellent recruiter without being a good coach. I pointed to Morgan and McDermott for that argument.
Exactly how do you determine if the improvement this year, compared to last year, was due to recruiting and not coaching. I would really like to hear that explained. SP of course has more talent, for sure. But that certainly doesn't mean he didn't have to do some coaching as well. Knowing that we had all these players, at the start of the season, many picked us to finish in the bottom third of the league. In fact, Hero Sports had us a very distant dead last in the B12.
 
IF and that is a big IF a change was ever made just look at JP Twitter - he tweets as much about TJ and SDSU as he does Prohm and ISU BB.

There wouldn't be a search. There wouldn't a list. Jamie would offer TJ and TJ would accept.
 
Some people talking about a coaching change in the middle of a season where we'll be going dancing. Cool cool

At least they aren’t being ******* about it any more I guess.

But look how giddy a couple of these folks are to talk about getting rid of Prohm.

Pretty clear about how serious they were about “discussing his flaws” huh? Goes to show it’s not about basketball with them, because what he’s done here is every bit what has been done here before (other than the two good years Larry, ok jamaal, had).
 
I would prefer our next coach has p5 experience. So lateral at a minimum is what I would expect, but I know that's not JP's style.
This is insane. You are actually seriously talking about a coaching change. First, check out SPs record before you do that. It's actually quite impressive. Second, the programs with the greatest success - other than us for the past 7 years - have long term consistency in coaching. You don't change coaches that easily.
 
This is insane. You are actually seriously talking about a coaching change. First, check out SPs record before you do that. It's actually quite impressive. Second, the programs with the greatest success - other than us for the past 7 years - have long term consistency in coaching. You don't change coaches that easily.

Hmmm a “new” member talking about firing a coach whose success has been in line with what has been considered successful in the modern history of this place.

I think it’s funny Kansas guy is a voice of reason here