First, I'm not passing an agenda, nor have you every see me pushing an agenda, just voicing an opinion, which I believe I am entitled to. My reference above was that you can run and play with tempo with talent (especially with the talent we have.) His measuring stick will be in the half court sets and getting the team to be productive. His ability or inability to improve this team in this area will speak for itself. And outside of his first year in which he self admitted "I didn't coach that team, they coached themselves" he has not shown to date that he can. That doesn't mean he won't be able to, just the area in which this team has a deficiency that will need to improve if we want to compete.
To all the Prohm Haters...
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You really don’t think he coached that team his first year?
Because if you don’t, then your first statement is a lie
Somebody disagrees with me. I better start getting defensive because I don’t have a comeback.
~Cat Stevens
Not liking some of his tendencies does not make one a Prohm hater. Last season he had good reason to only be playing 7 players. This season he has more talent. We need to see Prohm getting guys minutes to keep them committed and to develop them for the future. I have no idea why Talley is in the dog house, but he contributed last year and got better the more he played. Surely he could help the team this year.
I am going to put a note in here, too --
I actually enjoyed last year. Greatly.
We had some big wins at home.
When that team was firing, it was actually very competitive.
Literally everything that could have gone wrong with injuries went wrong.
The team seemed to bond in sympathy for Donovan's grief.
Lindell and Cameron looked like they would be monsters as they developed.
We knew we had lots of help coming off red-shirts and from the four freshmen.
We went on a nice winning streak before Big 12 play.
We did not win much, but it felt like there was a foundation for a program being built.
I had low expectations, and we met them.
A shame that I have to associate the real Cat Stevens, one of my favorite musicians and the creator of Tea for the Tillerman, one of my favorite albums of all-time, with Mr. Ad Hominem himself. We should all climb aboard the peace train together...
"Now I've been happy lately / Thinking about the good things to come."
I just take comfort in this -- @Cat Stevens and its ilk do not have arguments, they have indictments. Their whole point is to degenerate what might be a useful, interesting conversation into mudslinging. They do this because they are too stupid to do more.
Such tactics are, at least, impolite if not immoral or functionally illiterate.
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I don’t mind getting into debates on here about basketball if the other side actually tries to provide facts and tries to participate.
When somebody’s strategy is to attack someone to intimidate (or silence) the other, that’s when I know they aren’t worth the time. It’s a scummy move.
Being an ******* is easier and more generally applicable than knowing what you're talking about. The first requires bluster, the second requires a lot of work.
It unfortunately works pretty well on most audiences, too, that either (1.) resent somebody who actually knows what they are talking about because it makes them feel stupid in turn, too, so the ******* is a form of wish fulfillment to them; (2.) enjoy the personalized drama more than any high-minded, dry discussions about KenPom ratings or EFG% or even more qualitative notes about in-game strategies and players' personalities; or (3.) they sense, unless they go along with the *******, they are going to be the target of the vitriol next, and that is scary.
I think the sports boards on here are eminently well-informed and civilized. Even the in-state rivals discussions tend to marshal evidence and stay focused.
The Steve v. Fred flame and counter-flame wars are getting a little like debating the War of the Spanish Succession, though. We need to move on already.
The politics board is in the midst of a half-decade meltdown at this point, though.
No you are the one that wanted to try to pretend you were somehow victimized by having to eat a tough win. The reality is no one is saying prohm is perfect. That’s a straw man you created.
Since Cascade asked earlier about straw men, this was a pretty good example.
Also jbh had a wonderful post earlier about the irrationality of the anti prohm sect here.
1) You did not spend any time on this board after Saturday's loss. That is exactly what happened. Get yourself a frame of reference first (to quote Walter Sobchak in "The Big Lebowski") before spouting off.
2) What's your definition of "devout"? Obviously I'm a defender of him (as I frankly am of most coaches, at least from the armchair quarterback mentality that exists on these type of websites). I have written in this very thread that he is not immune from receiving criticism; I do think it's unfair for posters to keep on harping about out of bounds plays following a road victory over a Top 10 team to try to make the point that he's a bad coach. If that makes me "devout", so be it.
3) See #1.
4) Take a personal shot at me, I'll shoot back; we've never met, and you don't know a damn thing about me. GFY, and blow it out your a$$.
Any examples of me flying off the handle?
If you think disagreeing about an iso play in a late tied game is “flying off the handle” then that’s sad. You won’t post my post about wigginton after the game because that wouldn’t fit your narrative.
I also don’t think you read my whole post. You read the first paragraph, jumped to conclusions I hate Prohm (again, find something recently where I said that) then decided to go after me.
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ISUChippewa
Complete hothead, you can tell this guy has some anger issues by his constant getting around the language filters.
Are we going to see threads like this for the rest of the year every time we win a game?
I mean, I get frustrated and sometimes lose my cool on the rare occasion Im posting in a game thread, but I dont feel the need to start entire posts after every loss.
Complete hothead, you can tell this guy has some anger issues by his constant getting around the language filters.
Are we going to see threads like this for the rest of the year every time we win a game?
I mean, I get frustrated and sometimes lose my cool on the rare occasion Im posting in a game thread, but I dont feel the need to start entire posts after every loss.
I saw some of the same critical mistakes in the last two minutes here as against KSU. Missed layup. Missed blockout on the free throw. Allowing man to man blow by for layup. Making a one and one free throw maybe the difference.
Then why are you trying to start **** with me for pointing out a flaw in Prohm then? Like I said, you jump to conclusions that everyone wants Prohm fired when saying anything negative.
Maybe I think Prohm shouldn’t be fired but has deficiencies?
Don’t say you arent criticizing people who talk bad about Prohm. I’ve read your posts about people criticizing Prohm in this thread and others. It’s fine to stand up for coaches, but starting **** when it doesn’t fit what you want to hear is getting old.
I’m not replying to you so the thread gets back on topic. I like hearing opinions from people on all sides.
Honest question here, but who would you play Talley over in the current rotation? Do you think he would have made the difference against KSU? We did just fine without him last night.
I don't think he's in the "doghouse" so much this season as much as it's just a case of having a much more talented roster this season. Last year he had his moments where he really shined, but that was also in large part due to an injury depleted roster. I hope he brings in some good minutes for us this season, but he is a senior. Keeping him "happy" is pretty far down on the list of my concerns.
Oh FFS...
Are you honestly bent out of shape because I returned fire on a guy who insulted me?
Recently? So you have said it before?
It’s a pretty consistent pattern here. Basketball is a game of ebbs and flows. Especially when playing good to great teams.
The reality is that it’s way beyond just x’s and o’s With this coach for some reason. But you immediately jump to every criticism is somehow the same.
It isn’t. And you know this. But you still threw a huge ol man made of straw out there
