A freshman starting over Wiggington next year? Not.....sure.....if.....serious.
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A freshman starting over Wiggington next year? Not.....sure.....if.....serious.
It's blatantly obvious to me watching them on tv and in person that Wiggington is the best player in the program right now.
Speculating that he might be benched for a freshman next year is one of the more absurd things I've read on here in a long time.
Speculating that he might be benched for a freshman next year is one of the more absurd things I've read on here in a long time.
A popular term now that you hear is that teams "stay old", Prohm has set the program up to be consistently bringing back an experienced balanced lineup for the foreseeable future. This recruiting class set us up to be pretty good even if Wigginton went pro. Now that its unlikey that happens, it is looking like it could be a special year.
Not sure what he meant by "if?" Let me google that for you:
If: on (the) condition that, provided (that), providing (that), presuming (that), supposing (that), assuming (that), as long as, given that, in the event that.
But seriously, no one is replacing Wigginton in the starting lineup as long as he's healthy, especially next year when he'll be even better due to the experience of playing a year in the Big XII. That's why my original post said THT may play the point IN CERTAIN CONDITIONS depending on the matchup. Niang served a similar function, especially vs a full-court press when the person defending him was generally bigger and not as quick as a guard.
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I agree with you, but I do wonder the plan the year after this one with the PG position, especially if Wigginton is going to be a 2-&-done guy.
If there is a position where Prohm can recruit to and coach a guy up, such as taking a 6'5" wing and making him into a nice PG, that would be the one.
Is it really necessary to argue starting lineups in this thread? Take it somewhere else and leave this thread for the stats and senior performance.
Wigginton will start every game in his Cyclone career that he plays in. Not only has he earned that but he's by far our best player. The only way THT starts is if we go with a 4 guard lineup.
As for the lineup talk, if there aren't any stats to post why not discuss their possible impact as freshman?
As for the lineup talk, if there aren't any stats to post why not discuss their possible impact as freshman?
I think the one 2018 recruit that has a chance to start is Griffin.
NWB, Wiggy & Shayok will be the backcourt.
Lewis, THT, Haliburton & hopefully Harris will battle for spots in the rotation.
Up front Jacobson should backup Young w/ Lard and Griffin giving us two explosive option at the other spot. Again not saying Griffin will but he has the best shot.
Add Conditt and you have the best 1-12 in Cyclone history.
NWB, Wiggy & Shayok will be the backcourt.
Lewis, THT, Haliburton & hopefully Harris will battle for spots in the rotation.
Up front Jacobson should backup Young w/ Lard and Griffin giving us two explosive option at the other spot. Again not saying Griffin will but he has the best shot.
Add Conditt and you have the best 1-12 in Cyclone history.
Reminds me of posts about NWB last December through the eve of the Milwaukee disaster.
If you’re looking at which of the returning starters one of the freshman would start over, which of course is the context of the conversation, imo it’s Wigginton followed by Shayok. After watching him play, I don’t see THT defending as a four. Least likely is NWB and Young being benched imo.
We love scoring on crazy shots and Wigginton is potentially our best scorer, but best scorer isn’t synonymous with best player. That’s NWB. Young is starting. THT is a scorer and a playmaker, and he’ll see a lot of time regardless of starting or not.
THT and Simeon lost to #1 Memphis East last night in the City of Palms Classic (elite tournament). If I recall correctly THT had 10 points in a tough shooting night.
They’ll have a rematch 1/5/17.
They’ll have a rematch 1/5/17.
I think if Young doesn't improve his offensive game, he's subject to losing his minutes to a younger player like THT or Griffen. I know there are a lot of Young fans out there, including Prohm, but at some point in his career he probably needs to be more than a big body presence and defender and "glue" guy. He's not a particularly good rebounder and he's not a prolific scorer. I'd think he'd be the first to lose his starting job if the discussion is about which freshman is most likely to start next year.
LW will start. If anybody goes from starting to coming off the bench it's young. Easily. You wanna go off stats and what players give to the team, Cameron Lard has been much more valuable than Solomon so far.
I think he'll defend 2-4 depending on our lineup, and I think with enough coaching and effort he will be adequate against 4s with his length. Wigginton will be unbenchable next year if he stays in good standing, same with NWB and probably Shayok. Prohm will roll with his best guards as much as he can because they're the heartbeat of the offense. The luxury in 2018 will be the flexibility of the front court. By the end of the year, Prohm will be able to mix and match his front court pieces to make the best matchups.
I love Young. But, if things go well he'll be less important next year, which is a good thing. The team needs more players that bring what Young brings, and the hope is that Jacobson and Lard can bring his same toughness to the boards next year. And if we're fortunate, Griffin or even Conditt will work themselves in as well. My point being, we'll see more mixing and matching in the front court if we can afford it.
To finally get back to to THT, he'll probably spell anyone 2-4, maybe 1-4 later in the year. But I expect to see him more as our four, because it allows our three pacemakers (NWB, Wigginton, and Shayok) to play in their natural spots on the perimeter, while THT either stretches the floor or is the passing big man in the middle of zones. He's got a chance to be Georges Naing special in that capacity. I'm not sure where he fits further in the future than that.
I don't think we see any freshman start next year. Prohm has shown a reluctance to start freshman every year he has coached at ISU. A starting line up of Wigginton, Shayok, Weller-Babb, Lard, and Young will be hard to break into. That isn't to say that a freshman especially THT could get 20+ minutes per night off the bench.
My thinking there was if Beverly can do it, then THT should be able to as well. About the same size but he has a longer wingspan, he's more athletic, better shot blocker and a bigger mismatch on offense. I just hope at some point Prohm is willing to start Lard and Young because our best lineup would be Babb, Wigginton, Shayok, Lard and Young.
Mmmm, no. There are more ways to make contributions to winning than scoring. Solomon is our best low post defender, basically shut down Cook from Iowa (2 pts). Also, compare KU beating us in the first game loss last year when Lucas scored 14 pos with 6 rebounds vs the second game win at KU when Lucas scored 2 pos with 1 rebound. The biggest difference from the first game: Solomon playing the middle.
Jacobson may have the size/strength to defend the low post next year, but I don't see anyone else replacing what Solomon brings to the team. Maybe Lard due to his length and shot blocking ability, though he would have to gain a lot of strength/weight to defend the low post as effectively as Young. Absolutely no way Young will lose minutes to THT or Griffen solely because he's not a major scorer for the team. They can't come close to what Young brings to the team, especially in the low post.
