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https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fant...-looks-to-sell-movie-studio-to-disney-a155061

Wow, didn't see this coming. Looks like Disney is in talks with Fox to acquire their entire 20th Century Fox movie studios. What this would mean if it happens would be the final homecoming of both the X-Men and The Fantastic Four to Marvel. This would be crazy if it happens.

From an overall movie-making perspective, I'm not sure this is good thing. In fact, I'd argue not. For those wanting the X-Men and Fantastic Four to finally join up into the MCU, this would be a win. For me, I'm kind of weird. I actually really want the Fantastic Four to come over into the MCU, but not the X-Men. I personally like enough what Fox is doing with the X-Men already, and this would only muddle that. I also like having the two studios producing these movies concurrently because I ultimately think it results in more movies at a time, which is a win for fans. In the end, the Mouse House can and will only produce so many movies at one, particularly ones that inhabit the same MCU world. Lastly, I don't like it from an overall movie production standpoint as I think creativity benefits from less consolidation of minds and ideas. Therefore, if Fox would simply sell the Fantastic Four and all its villains over to the MCU, I'd be happy.
 
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I would love to see certain X-characters join the MCU, as they start to move to Phase 4 or however they rebrand the MCU.

The one character that I really want to see make the move to the MCU is Storm. Having her show up in a Black Panther sequel would be awesome and she is a natural fit to join the Avenger's.
 
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http://collider.com/marvel-villains-ranked/

Saw this recent ranking by Collider of all the Marvel movie villains. With that said, I thought I'd use all their same listed villains and rank them myself to compare them to their list.

Collider's List (few thoughts of mine listed beside)
  • 23. Thanos
  • 22. Whiplash (not as bad as some think)
  • 21. Emil Blonsky/Abomination (too low)
  • 20. Malekith
  • 19. Dormammu
  • 18. Laufey
  • 17. Ronan (too high)
  • 16. Kaecilius
  • 15. Alexander Pierce (way too low)
  • 14. Darren Cross/Yellowjacket
  • 13. General Ross
  • 12. Hela
  • 11. Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier (way too low)
  • 10. Aldrich Killian (too high)
  • 9. Helmut Zemo
  • 8. Justin Hammer (too high)
  • 7. Ultron
  • 6. Obadiah Stane
  • 5. Red Skull
  • 4. Ego
  • 3. The Mandarin/Trevor Slattery (way way way way way too high)
  • 2. Adrian Toomes
  • 1. Loki

My List (Does Not Include Hela: Have Not Seen Thor: Ragnarok Until Tonight)
  • 22. Malekith
  • 21. Ronan
  • 20. Thanos
  • 19. The Mandarin/Trevor Slattery
  • 18. Laufey
  • 17. Darren Cross/Yellowjacket
  • 16. Aldrich Killian
  • 15. Whiplash
  • 14. Kaecilius
  • 13. Dormammu
  • 12. Justin Hammer
  • 11. Emil Blonsky/Abomination
  • 10. General Ross
  • 9. Helmut Zemo
  • 8. Obadiah Stane
  • 7. Ego
  • 6. Alexander Pierce
  • 5. The Red Skull
  • 4. Ultron
  • 3. The Winter Soldier
  • 2. Adrian Toomes
  • 1. Loki

Feel free to give your own thoughts.
 
3GenClone said:
I would love to see certain X-characters join the MCU, as they start to move to Phase 4 or however they rebrand the MCU.

The one character that I really want to see make the move to the MCU is Storm. Having her show up in a Black Panther sequel would be awesome and she is a natural fit to join the Avenger's.
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I really think that this potential for a deal with Fox has been around for longer than people think and also part of why Marvel seems very vague on their plans for Phase 4. I do think that an attempt to avoid spoilers is also another very good reason they've given out too. Yes, they've talked about Phase 4 expanding the cosmic side of the universe, but haven't given anything beyond that, particularly with what happens back here on earth. Also, if this were to go down, I see The Fantastic 4 coming into the MCU way before the X-Men ever did, if the X-Men were even to be brought in. Ultimately, I think there is just too much already planned and needing to be played out with Fox's already established X-Men universe for them to do a quick 180 flip. I'm also of the opinion that if the X-Men were to be brought into the MCU that they would do it with a complete new slate of actors, rather than finding some hokey way to merge the two universes. That would just be way too sloppy for what Kevin Feige typically likes.
 
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Triggermv said:
http://collider.com/marvel-villains-ranked/

Saw this recent ranking by Collider of all the Marvel movie villains. With that said, I thought I'd use all their same listed villains and rank them myself to compare them to their list.

Collider's List (few thoughts of mine listed beside)
  • 23. Thanos
  • 22. Whiplash (not as bad as some think)
  • 21. Emil Blonsky/Abomination (too low)
  • 20. Malekith
  • 19. Dormammu
  • 18. Laufey
  • 17. Ronan (too high)
  • 16. Kaecilius
  • 15. Alexander Pierce (way too low)
  • 14. Darren Cross/Yellowjacket
  • 13. General Ross
  • 12. Hela
  • 11. Bucky Barnes/The Winter Soldier (way too low)
  • 10. Aldrich Killian (too high)
  • 9. Helmut Zemo
  • 8. Justin Hammer (too high)
  • 7. Ultron
  • 6. Obadiah Stane
  • 5. Red Skull
  • 4. Ego
  • 3. The Mandarin/Trevor Slattery (way way way way way too high)
  • 2. Adrian Toomes
  • 1. Loki

My List (Does Not Include Hela: Have Not Seen Thor: Ragnarok Until Tonight)
  • 22. Malekith
  • 21. Ronan
  • 20. Thanos
  • 19. The Mandarin/Trevor Slattery
  • 18. Laufey
  • 17. Darren Cross/Yellowjacket
  • 16. Aldrich Killian
  • 15. Whiplash
  • 14. Kaecilius
  • 13. Dormammu
  • 12. Justin Hammer
  • 11. Emil Blonsky/Abomination
  • 10. General Ross
  • 9. Helmut Zemo
  • 8. Obadiah Stane
  • 7. Ego
  • 6. Alexander Pierce
  • 5. The Red Skull
  • 4. Ultron
  • 3. The Winter Soldier
  • 2. Adrian Toomes
  • 1. Loki

Feel free to give your own thoughts.
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I don't think The Mandarin & Winter Soldier should be considered "Villains" in this list - as they were the misdirection for the "Big Bad" reveal. Aldrich Killian & Alexander Pierce should be considered the primary villains of Iron Man 3 and Captian America: Winter Soldier respectively. Also, where is Crossbones/Brock Rumlow?

To an extent you could also consider Iron Man/Tony Stark a villain on this list:
* Creator of Ultron
* Fought against the government in Iron Man 2, only to side with them against Cap's Avengers in Civil War
* Arrested Cap's Avengers
* Gave his best friend a suit - only to watch him become paralyzed
* Gave a minor an even more powerful suit immediately after watching his best friend become paralyzed
 
3GenClone said:
I don't think The Mandarin & Winter Soldier should be considered "Villains" in this list - as they were the misdirection for the "Big Bad" reveal. Aldrich Killian & Alexander Pierce should be considered the primary villains of Iron Man 3 and Captian America: Winter Soldier respectively. Also, where is Crossbones/Brock Rumlow?

To an extent you could also consider Iron Man/Tony Stark a villain on this list:
* Creator of Ultron
* Fought against the government in Iron Man 2, only to side with them against Cap's Avengers in Civil War
* Arrested Cap's Avengers
* Gave his best friend a suit - only to watch him become paralyzed
* Gave a minor an even more powerful suit immediately after watching his best friend become paralyzed
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Good call on the Crossbones missing. While more of a minor villain, he should be on there, not to mention Wolfgang Von Strucker too. Shoot, even The Shocker should get tossed in there.
 
Triggermv said:
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fant...-looks-to-sell-movie-studio-to-disney-a155061

Wow, didn't see this coming. Looks like Disney is in talks with Fox to acquire their entire 20th Century Fox movie studios. What this would mean if it happens would be the final homecoming of both the X-Men and The Fantastic Four to Marvel. This would be crazy if it happens.

From an overall movie-making perspective, I'm not sure this is good thing. In fact, I'd argue not. For those wanting the X-Men and Fantastic Four to finally join up into the MCU, this would be a win. For me, I'm kind of weird. I actually really want the Fantastic Four to come over into the MCU, but not the X-Men. I personally like enough what Fox is doing with the X-Men already, and this would only muddle that. I also like having the two studios producing these movies concurrently because I ultimately think it results in more movies at a time, which is a win for fans. In the end, the Mouse House can and will only produce so many movies at one, particularly ones that inhabit the same MCU world. Lastly, I don't like it from an overall movie production standpoint as I think creativity benefits from less consolidation of minds and ideas. Therefore, if Fox would simply sell the Fantastic Four and all its villains over to the MCU, I'd be happy.
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One of the big issues I've seen mentioned regarding this is how Disney taking over might affect the tone of the movies. The early consensus is it would likely lead to a somewhat watered-down version of the "edgier" movies/characters -- the main concern being Deadpool, although Logan is also a prime example.
 
DeftOne said:
One of the big issues I've seen mentioned regarding this is how Disney taking over might affect the tone of the movies. The early consensus is it would likely lead to a somewhat watered-down version of the "edgier" movies/characters -- the main concern being Deadpool, although Logan is also a prime example.
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I did laugh at Ryan Reynolds response to the rumors:

 
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One of the big issues I've seen mentioned regarding this is how Disney taking over might affect the tone of the movies. The early consensus is it would likely lead to a somewhat watered-down version of the "edgier" movies/characters -- the main concern being Deadpool, although Logan is also a prime example.
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I would point out that Disney appears to be making strides in that area. Look no further than what they have done with Lucasfilm, as Rogue One was drastically different in tone than The Force Awakens
 
Triggermv said:
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/fant...-looks-to-sell-movie-studio-to-disney-a155061

Wow, didn't see this coming. Looks like Disney is in talks with Fox to acquire their entire 20th Century Fox movie studios. What this would mean if it happens would be the final homecoming of both the X-Men and The Fantastic Four to Marvel. This would be crazy if it happens.

From an overall movie-making perspective, I'm not sure this is good thing. In fact, I'd argue not. For those wanting the X-Men and Fantastic Four to finally join up into the MCU, this would be a win. For me, I'm kind of weird. I actually really want the Fantastic Four to come over into the MCU, but not the X-Men. I personally like enough what Fox is doing with the X-Men already, and this would only muddle that. I also like having the two studios producing these movies concurrently because I ultimately think it results in more movies at a time, which is a win for fans. In the end, the Mouse House can and will only produce so many movies at one, particularly ones that inhabit the same MCU world. Lastly, I don't like it from an overall movie production standpoint as I think creativity benefits from less consolidation of minds and ideas. Therefore, if Fox would simply sell the Fantastic Four and all its villains over to the MCU, I'd be happy.
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Maybe this could mean that the Star Wars franchise could regain the 20th Century Fox Fanfare prior to the opening credits? It doesn't feel the same without that.
 
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Excited for Black Panther. Rewatching both Thor movies and both Avengers movies and then hopefully going to Ragnorak soon!
 
Saw Ragnarok a couple nights ago and while I enjoyed myself, I didn't exactly love the movie. Ultimately, the movie was just a bit too much of a quirky improv show than a movie displaying the amount of weight and substance I prefer to see. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind plenty of jokes, but everything is a sliding scale where things can go too far in one direction or the other. I also recognize that everyone has a slightly different sliding scale and it seems like it obviously didn't bother the majority of people out there like it did me based off Rotten Tomatoes. To each their own. In the end, not every MCU movie has to be for me. It should be telling that my favorite MCU directors by far are the Russo Brothers. I certainly wouldn't be hurt personally to not see Taika Waititi back to direct another MCU movie. Regardless, I still enjoyed myself and there is plenty to come like Black Panther and Infinity War that have looked more fitting to my tone and style I prefer. Normally I write a longer and more comprehensive review than this, but I think these statements sum up my thoughts well enough. Maybe I just walked away "meh" enough not to be motivated to write anything longer too. Regardless, I'll soon at least update my MCU rankings to include Thor: Ragnarok. Spoiler alert, it certainly won't be near the bottom of my rankings, but at the same time, it won't be near the top either.

FYI... I did really like Hela. Not necessarily the best Marvel villain, but I'd call her lower top tier.
 
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Triggermv said:
Saw Ragnarok a couple nights ago and while I enjoyed myself, I didn't exactly love the movie. Ultimately, the movie was just a bit too much of a quirky improv show than a movie displaying the amount of weight and substance I prefer to see. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind plenty of jokes, but everything is a sliding scale where things can go too far in one direction or the other. I also recognize that everyone has a slightly different sliding scale and it seems like it obviously didn't bother most people out there, which is fine. To each their own. In the end, not every MCU movie has to be for me. I still enjoyed myself and there is plenty to come like Black Panther and Infinity War that have looked more fitting to my tone and style I prefer.
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So where would you say Ragnarok ranks in the Thor trilogy?

How would you rank the current MCU-trilogies (Iron-Man, Thor, Captain America)? Not just as isolated films but as trilogies overall?
 
3GenClone said:
So where would you say Ragnarok ranks in the Thor trilogy?

How would you rank the current MCU-trilogies (Iron-Man, Thor, Captain America)? Not just as isolated films but as trilogies overall?
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Good question. For the Thor trilogy:

1. Thor
2. Thor: Ragnarok
3. Thor: The Dark World

Trilogies:
1. Captain America
2. Iron Man
3. Thor

You?
 
Triggermv said:
Good question. For the Thor trilogy:

1. Thor
2. Thor: Ragnarok
3. Thor: The Dark World

Trilogies:
1. Captain America
2. Iron Man
3. Thor

You?
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Haven't seen Ragnarok, so I can't properly rank them yet, but there isn't any doubt that Captain America is #1 in the trilogy rankings. Captain America is just a solid franchise all the way around. It's going to be really interesting ranking the MCU-trilogies once Avenger's: Infinity War & GotG 3 come out.
 
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After posting my Thor: Ragnarok review just a bit ago, the following is my rankings I always like to update. As you can see, Thor: Ragnarok didn't rank super high on my list, but I still enjoyed the movie and was entertained.

  1. Captain America: The Winter Soldier – Thought this movie had the best drama and best writing and story line of all the movies. Its action sequences were probably only second to Civil War as well.
  2. Marvel’s The Avengers – Iconic way to pull everything together with the best villain in the MCU. The final battle was so epic and unlike anything we had ever seen up until that point.
  3. Captain America: Civil War - Most fun and one of the funniest movies on the list. Also produced the best action sequences, had some of the best character moments, and showcased the best balancing act of so many characters. Biggest downfall was having a very good, but not great story line, which kept it from topping my list.
  4. Iron Man – Epic way to start the Universe with an unbelievable star for a headliner. Never got into the Iron Monger villain though.
  5. Guardians of the Galaxy – Best space epic since the original Star Wars movies. Also was probably the funniest movie of the MCU so far.
  6. Marvel's Daredevil: Season 2 - The introduction of Jon Bernthal's Punisher in Season 2 was what truly made this season great and better than Season 2. Had a few pacing issues, but overall, the series only improved all the characters within it from Season 1, but I'm still so-so on all the Electra stuff. Still needs a few more crossovers, but had a few.
  7. Marvel’s Daredevil: Season 1 – Loved the street-level more-adult-themed tone of this show. Also contains probably the second best villain in the MCU. Being on Netflix is a great way to un-cuff all the normal problems of making a TV show for network viewing.
  8. Ant-Man - Had super-low expectations, but walked away pleasantly surprised. Yet another weak villain, but contained some great comedy with some great actors. Paul Rudd won me over when I once was really skeptical of him.
  9. Captain America: The First Avenger – Epic first-half of the movie with Cap’s origin story, but believe it or not, I found Red Skull a little underdeveloped. Loved the WWII time period aspect of this one.
  10. Spider-Man: Homecoming - Amazing casting on this movie throughout, with Tom Holland being the best Spider-Man yet. Also featured one of the greatest villains in the MCU yet with Michael Keaton, with one of the best scenes and best twists. Movie just lacked the music score and emotional weight of some of its predecessors.
  11. Marvel's Agents of Shield: Season 4 - Best season of AOS so far with a very good two-part story line. Ghost Rider was amazing movie quality all around (casting, acting, visuals, story) and fit perfectly into the story, as well as tying the series to the Doctor Strange multi-verse/mystical/inter-dimensional world. Tons of fun with a lot of great emotion.
  12. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 - Huge on the laughs, fun and heart, but a little mediocre on the story and substance. Also, went a little overboard at times where things got a bit too campy. Characters were probably more fun than story.
  13. Marvel's Jessica Jones - Series filled with great actors, great drama, good diversity to what we are used to, and one of the best villains in the MCU (Kilgrave). Series suffered most from having probably 3-4 too many episodes, poor pacing, and not enough ties to the overall MCU.
  14. Iron Man 2 – Many will mock me, but I actually really enjoyed this movie and actually enjoyed it more than Iron Man 3. Make fun of me all you want, but I didn’t think Whiplash was that bad. I think this movie gets unfairly criticized.
  15. Doctor Strange - This was a fairly Marvel formulaic origin story with some ground-breaking visual effects, a mediocre villain, an innovative ending, and some great characters. However, its biggest problem for me is that it was probably just a bit too out there on the magic side to fully be my cup of tea, which is okay. I still enjoyed it.
  16. Avengers: Age of Ultron – Fun movie, but suffered from too much CGI action, too many characters, and too many storylines.
  17. Iron Man 3 – Don’t know what it is, but I just never really got into this one, and it probably had something to do with the big Mandarin villain twist towards the end. Also never really liked Killian either. Again, I surprisingly like Iron Man 2 better
  18. Thor – Don’t know what it is, but I just never got into this storyline or villains as much as the others. However, it is growing on me over time and I now like this more than Thor: The Dark World
  19. Thor: Ragnarok - I appreciate them trying to go in a creative new direction on this movie, but it ultimately felt too much like a quirky improv comedy (how he shot it) to me. Went a little too heavy on the comedy, which ultimately offset and mitigated the substance, scale, and weight of the movie. Hela was great villain though.
  20. Marvel's Luke Cage: Season 1 - Loved the music angle, loved Cottonmouth as the villain, loved the first 4 episodes. However, this was another Netflix series that really lost its way somewhere in the middle, and I really didn't care for any of the Diamondback stuff. Still enjoyed it, but definitely the worst Netflix series yet.
  21. Thor: The Dark World – Criticize me if you will, but I actually liked this movie more than probably most, but after re-watching it recently, it did fall some in my rankings. I now have the origin Thor above it.
  22. Marvel’s Agents of Shield: Season 2 – Liked the less cheese and more serious tone than the first season. Also, loved the Inhuman’s storyline. Used to hate Skye, but now don’t mind her. This is definitely the best AOS season so far
  23. Marvel’s Agent Carter – Loved the period timepiece aspect of this. Great show.
  24. The Incredible Hulk – Good movie, but not great. Never was into Norton for the role or the look they gave theHulk, so I was super glad when the switch was made and they remade the Hulk's appearance.
  25. Marvel’s Agents of Shield: Season 1 – Struggled hardcore in the first half-dozen episodes, but then finally picked up when Winter Soldier story line set in and the cheese started to fade. Overall, ended up really enjoying this.
  26. Marvel's Agents of Shield: Season 3 - Was VERY up and down throughout. There was times I really liked what they were doing, whereas other times where I really did not like what they were doing. Overall, the series is getting a little tired, too many forced fistfights, and still too high on the cheese factor. Still fun at times though.
  27. Marvel's Agent Carter: Season 2 - Great actors and characters combined with a poor stand-alone story, which lacked substance and true stakes to the MCU
  28. Marvel's Iron Fist: Season 1 - A combination of terrible casting/acting from Danny Rand, terrible boring story, poor fight sequences, and too low a budget resulted in Marvel's first major dud for a TV show. At least the back half of the season was much better than the front half.

In the end, Thor: Ragnarok is a bottom second-tier movie for me. Hey, at least it skirted away from bottom tier. Luke Cage Season 1: First half would rank above it, but once you throw in the second half of the season, Thor: Ragnarok edges it out.

Also, if I'm truthful and I had to throw in a most overrated category, I'd have to put Thor: Ragnarok on there along with Dr. Strange. Rotten Tomatoes in particular loves both those movies a lot, and me, not quite as much.
 
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