Monte is NOT a Cousy Award Finalist

[jsb]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

You can't possibly be this stupid. Monte is not surrounded by elite talent. How many one and dones has mason played with? How many McDonald's all Americans has he?

Now compare and contrast with Monte. And Monte has helped lead his team to 4 NCAA, at least 2 sweet 16, at least 2 big 12 tourney titles, and many weeks of being ranked. That's unprecedented for Iowa state and pretty ******* good for almost any team.

Very few are saying Monte should win the cousey. Most are saying he should be top 5.

Again, you can say you aren't trolling. But you clearly are.

 

[knowlesjam]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

Fair enough discussion and I do agree with the point on playing it safe. But his performance has also improved in other areas (points and rebounds per game). Additionally, he doesn't have the wealth of 4 and 5-star talent that other teams have. He also hasn't had a bounty of big guys to dish off to as he cuts to the basket...only improved the past 8 games or so in this department. My big gripe is that he is having the best year of his career (like Mason) and both the stats this year (and for his career) are equal, if not better than most on the final list.

 

[srjclone]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

Yeah, you could, if he never made any tough plays and was always trying to stay away from turning it over. But that isn't Monte's game, Monte is always in the teeth of the defense and for 2 years he has been THE guy that teams focus on disrupting, and he has only upped his assists and dropped his turnovers.

Think that is all that needs to be said to answer that.

 

[cycopath25]

So it's official I will be wearing a #NotMyCousyAwardList t shirt in Kansas City. A friend of mine runs a t-shirt shop and will be hooking me up.

 

[Desiigner]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

Nah he's the all time leader in assist and steals at Iowa State. I would say he plays smart and doesn't try to force things

 

[Doc]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

I think it's a fair point. I don't look at A/TO as a real important stat myself, and I've been critical of Monte in the past because he hasn't been as aggressive as I thought he should be at some points. But that being said, I think that's a silly argument to make in this context, because Brunson and Berry aren't aggressive, high usage players either.

I think it'd also be more of an issue if our offense was mediocre -- that would be a sign that Monte should be doing more, but our offense is fine and has been elite over the last 10 games or so.

 

[NickTheGreat]

Yeah, you could, if he never made any tough plays and was always trying to stay away from turning it over. But that isn't Monte's game, Monte is always in the teeth of the defense and for 2 years he has been THE guy that teams focus on disrupting, and he has only upped his assists and dropped his turnovers.

Think that is all that needs to be said to answer that.

THIS. Especially this year, but a very high percentage of offense goes through him. He's in a beneficial system for a PG but he excels at it.

 

[Doc]

Monte's isn't even low, but something I think a lot of people don't understand about Kenpom usage rates is that you can increase your %Possessions by committing TOs, but not by getting Assists.

I think some people look at his usage rate and think he isn't as active in the offense as some other players, but his usage rate is low because he simply doesn't end possessions by turning it over.

 

[randomfan44]

You can't possibly be this stupid. Monte is not surrounded by elite talent. How many one and dones has mason played with? How many McDonald's all Americans has he?

Now compare and contrast with Monte. And Monte has helped lead his team to 4 NCAA, at least 2 sweet 16, at least 2 big 12 tourney titles, and many weeks of being ranked. That's unprecedented for Iowa state and pretty ******* good for almost any team.

Very few are saying Monte should win the cousey. Most are saying he should be top 5.

Again, you can say you aren't trolling. But you clearly are.

This is the first year of Morris' career that he was not passing to a teammate who made an All American team. Kane, Ejim and Niang twice. Stop with the "he isn't playing with talented teammates" shtick.

 

[DurangoCy]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

His passes don't look risky, because they aren't when it's him making them. This was a nice one.

 

[jsb]

This is the first year of Morris' career that he was not passing to a teammate who made an All American team. Kane, Ejim and Niang twice. Stop with the "he isn't playing with talented teammates" shtick.

So you think Iowa state has elite talent? You really are a dumbass.

Hell you don't think Monte is elite.

 

[DurangoCy]

This is the first year of Morris' career that he was not passing to a teammate who made an All American team. Kane, Ejim and Niang twice. Stop with the "he isn't playing with talented teammates" shtick.

Care to quote a single post in this thread that said that? ...I swear I'm not trolling - lol.

 

[randomfan44]

Fair enough discussion and I do agree with the point on playing it safe. But his performance has also improved in other areas (points and rebounds per game). Additionally, he doesn't have the wealth of 4 and 5-star talent that other teams have. He also hasn't had a bounty of big guys to dish off to as he cuts to the basket...only improved the past 8 games or so in this department. My big gripe is that he is having the best year of his career (like Mason) and both the stats this year (and for his career) are equal, if not better than most on the final list.

Agreed. I fully agree that Morris should be in the final 5 list. Take either Brunson or Berry off. Both are good players but I think Morris overall has been better. Every year there are head scratchers in these awards.

 

[randomfan44]

So you think Iowa state has elite talent? You really are a dumbass.

Hell you don't think Monte is elite.

They were elite college players. What they were ranked in high school is irrelevant.

 

[AuH2O]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

First the Trent Dilfer argument, now this.
This would be a reasonable argument if he wasn't averaging over 6 assists a game. Not that the premise of him taking fewer chances isnt a reasonable one, but if that is the case and he took more risks and accepted TO at a rate the 5 finalists do its pretty easy to imagine Monte averaging 10 APG.

Anybody that watches Morris understands he is not a distributor that allows his teammates to make plays. He makes the plays. To put up over 6 APG with almost no post scoring threat is amazing.

 

[cyclonespiker33]

We can take away the A/TO column and you'll still see that Monte is better than AT LEAST Berry and Brunson. If you consider that Williams-Goss is playing the 55th toughest schedule compared to the 6th toughest for Monte and you can easily put Monte at least 3rd in the rankings.

 

[jsb]

First the Trent Dilfer argument, now this.
This would be a reasonable argument if he wasn't averaging over 6 assists a game. Not that the premise of him taking fewer chances isnt a reasonable one, but if that is the case and he took more risks and accepted TO at a rate the 5 finalists do its pretty easy to imagine Monte averaging 10 APG.

Anybody that watches Morris understands he is not a distributor that allows his teammates to make plays. He makes the plays. To put up over 6 APG with almost no post scoring threat is amazing.

Not to mention that for at least this year the no turnover thing is very important. We can't rebound, so losing any possession on a turnover hurts.

 

[AuH2O]

They were elite college players. What they were ranked in high school is irrelevant.

I agree that Niang, Ejim and Kane were elite college players and that helped. This year he has no elite players but does have 2 good shooters on the court with him at all times between Naz, Thomas and Jackson.

 

[CyTwins]

This is not going to end well but I will try. I am NOT trying to cause trouble with this question but has anyone ever wondered if this amazing A/TO ratio is really a great thing? ISU has finished with 8, 9 and 12 losses in Morris' first three years and is at 10 already this year.

Is it possible that avoiding possible turnovers has resulted in Morris not taking some risks that, if successful, might have won him and ISU more games? Is Monte Morris the ncca hoops version of the KC Chiefs Alex Smith in that he won't hurt you by turning it over but kinda hurts you by never risking a turnover?

I swear I am not trying to troll. It is a serious attempt to discuss this as a possibility.

The all time assist leader doesn't take enough risks? Lol

 

[randomfan44]

First the Trent Dilfer argument, now this.
This would be a reasonable argument if he wasn't averaging over 6 assists a game. Not that the premise of him taking fewer chances isnt a reasonable one, but if that is the case and he took more risks and accepted TO at a rate the 5 finalists do its pretty easy to imagine Monte averaging 10 APG.

Anybody that watches Morris understands he is not a distributor that allows his teammates to make plays. He makes the plays. To put up over 6 APG with almost no post scoring threat is amazing.

Trent Dilfer? Eh, yeah, that wasn't me.