Haha, yeah, Kansas really doesnt have a good track record of losing trap games at home. If fact they rarely lose any game at home, let along trap games against inferior teams.
Conference Prediction for ISU
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Haha, yeah, Kansas really doesnt have a good track record of losing trap games at home. If fact they rarely lose any game at home, let along trap games against inferior teams.
CycloneErik
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Doesn't Self average less than 1 home loss a year, and the largest # were early in his time there?
Saturday could happen, but it's certainly not a trap game they'll ignore. Kansas doesn't roll that way with Self.
February 2nd, 2013 against Oklahoma State was the last time they lost a Big 12 home game, somehow Im not really buying the trap game argument. Looks they like they have a history of putting beatdowns on lesser teams in recent years than losing to a bunch of teams they shouldnt.
Why? Because you watched the Big 12/SEC challenge? Lol. We're the #1 or #2 RPI conference AGAIN. We'll most likely get all of our teams that are 9-9 and above in and dependent on bid steals might even get ANOTHER 8-10 team in.
Like I've been saying, you have the internet, you can go research things like RPI, kenpom, Nitty Gritty's, Sagarin, etc, etc . Heck, you can even get crazy and compare them to years past! No one needs to take your word for it.
Our feelings as fans of our own team that we aren't as good as we should be or that we don't like our team has no bearing on the NCAA selection. People need to remember that.
So you think we are getting in at 8-10? That puts us at 16-14 going into the Big 12 tourney. Thats NIT territory. If we did tie at 8-10 with another conference team we would be last in the pecking order, since all of those other teams had solid non-conf seasons against lesser teams.
RPI or not, I think you are overestimating how good the conference is. When you have 3 teams in the top 10 of course the conference will have a really strong RPI. It doesnt mean the other 7 teams are that good.
We looked awful over the weekend against a pathetic SEC conference. Heck even TCU who I thought was solid lost at home to Auburn.
Go back and look at non-conference wins for the conference after taking out Kansas, West Virginia, and Baylor. The number of quality wins is severely lacking. I would put our win against Miami as one of the best, OSU beat Wichita which is the only comparison. The rest are against extremely bad power 5 teams like Washington, Georgetown, UCONN, BC, Washington State.
Well, you said ANOTHER 8-10 team in, which means you think 2 teams finishing 8-10 will get in. I dont see that happening at all. 6 bids at the absolute most and Ill stand by that comment until Selection Sunday.
Read a book. I was referencing OSU making it in at 8-10 and 17-something a couple of years ago because our conference strength was so high.
Oh, ok, sorry, I cant read minds so I didnt know exactly what you were talking about. 6 bids this year tops, maybe as low as 5 if we dont get our act together.
So let me ask you this, what will it take for you to admit that we are teetering on the edge of bubble territory at this point? A loss in Austin? A loss in Hilton to TCU or OSU?
You seem like you are level headed and dont get too worried after a loss because we have plenty of opportunities, but how many more losses before you admit we might not make it?
Here are the last 5 games:
Kansas-didnt lead at all the entire game
Oklahoma-went down 17 before coming back
Kansas St-up 20 before letting them back in it
Vanderbilt-blew an 11 point lead before getting embarrassed
West Virginia-didnt lead the entire game
You can see with these huge swings in games and not even being in the Kansas and West Virginia games there is a huge inconsistency with this team. I dont know why people think all of a sudden we will put together 5 or 6 solid games together in a row and all of a sudden we are tournament locks. Thats not happening, we will be sweating it out the rest of the season until Selection Sunday.
We just need to win 5/9, to say nothing of the conference tourney. I think we can do that. And that's to get to 10-8. 9-9 and then other things come in to play. You get caught up in the game by game too much when thinking about the tournament, that's why I mentioned that our feelings about the team or how we saw them play in some individual game doesn't matter when it comes to selection (in no particluar order):
RPI (both conference and team)
Metrics (Kenpom, Sagarin, etc)
SOS (non-con & conference & overall)
Record vs. top 50
Record vs. top 100
Record vs. top 200
Road vs. Home vs. Neutral court
Last 10 (debatable, lots of reports say they don't use this anymore)
It's a resume, it's not six separate 5 game stretches, it's not 30 individual games, it's not one game vs. Iowa, it's not how many "big" wins you have as that is baked in to the vs. top 50 cake. It's the entire thing, taken as a whole.
Something just feels like this is an 8-10 team but I'm not even looking to put blame anywhere if it happens. Or to tell a bunch of great Cyclone seniors that I'm disappointed in them. It would be disappointing just because we love some winning Cyclone basketball and we've gotten used to thoroughly enjoying March Madnesss. I guess however it plays out then that's how good your team was. Too much bashing in life these days in a lot of things.
At this point in this season I don't think many people could even sanely handle losing as a lower seed in the first round of the tourney.
I can live with that. The way I feel about it its February 1st, this is the first time in probably 5 years that I have an uneasy feeling about not making it this late in the season. I guess we used to count on winning at least 7 or 8 conference home games which meant we only needed to steal a couple on the road and still be fine. This year just feels different, like we could just as easily lose a home game now that we arent suppose to.
That was a optimistic guess from over a month ago. It was my birthday. The way I see it, I have a right to be overly optimistic on my 50th birthday. I'm still hoping they go 13-5, but I'm not betting on it.
We will win 1 more conference game this year. Prohm coaches like Ibombya governs, not worth a crap..
LOL... Pretty sure that was one of our worst shooting games in conference play and I know we got killed on the boards. The only reason we were in that game was because we made threes and Baylor didn't.
