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***Official Big 12 Expansion Thread '16***

cyclones500 said:
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Tramel: Why UConn should join BYU as best Big 12 expansion candidates

I want to support arguments for UConn, but I don't think he convinced me with this column.

His suggestion that BYU & UConn should drop round-robin sports, because of geography, after saying geography is overrated — wants it both ways. Also says football upside is overrated, but admits UConn is not a sleeping giant for football and wouldn't even be a solid addition to Big 12.
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I agree with the positives he mentions about UConn
- A state unversity
- Strong academics
- Large dedicated fan base with 3.5M citizens in CT
- Strong athletic dept - MBB, WBB, Baseball, etc

The downside is a football program that has not been historically strong. But as he mentioned, UConn is no worse than Rutgers and MD when they joimed the Big10. The other positive is they have a new coach 2 years into rebuilding the program and were 6-7 in year 2. One of their 2015 wins was over Houston.

The one point I think he missed on was the Big12 taking UConn and BYU. I agree BYU is the best choice, but IMO the Big12 needs to go east or west if they are going to grow to 12. So if UConn is selected, then I think the Big12 goes with Cincy as the other school.
 
jbhtexas said:
Relative to UT, OU has nothing that the Big Ten wants. UT is AAU, and would open up Texas FB recruits to the Big Ten. OU has none of that, except a president that thinks he's an academic elite. NU was AAU when they were accepted into the Big Ten, and they were subsequently booted out of the AAU. Although to be fair, I think the Big Ten knew there was a good chance of that happening when NU was admitted.
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I agree with the Texas recruiting angle, but man, would that be some SERIOUS karma for Big Red? You obviously are also on the same page as I am, because I'm pretty sure the B1G saw the writing on the wall for NU and AAU.
 
Clone2Dbone said:
IF the Big(X)II does fold, why does nobody think OU could end up in the B1G? Are they not on the same level academically as Big Red? I would also think the B1G would love for that rivalry to be renewed. I would have to think if they were thinking about Texas, that would be a big time thumb in the eye of Nebraska.
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If the Big 12 does fold, this expansion talk is code for schools working out deals to move to other conferences.

Texas, Kansas, and ISU to the Big 10
Tech, WVU to the ACC
OU, OSU to the SEC
TCU, Baylor to the PAC 10
KSU to whoever will take them.
 
kingcy said:
Texas needs to be smart and look around before they go anywhere. They are the big dog now, going to any other conference changes that. When you have not been the proven center piece of a given conference for years and years it take a long time to get to the top. You also lose part of your identity when you change conferences. Texas is a big brand in the state of Texas but outside of the state there are a lot of schools that are a bigger brand.
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I don't disagree, but try to tell TX this.
 
kingcy said:
Texas needs to be smart and look around before they go anywhere. They are the big dog now, going to any other conference changes that. When you have not been the proven center piece of a given conference for years and years it take a long time to get to the top. You also lose part of your identity when you change conferences. Texas is a big brand in the state of Texas but outside of the state there are a lot of schools that are a bigger brand.
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There are alot of schools that have a bigger brand than UT??? As of the latest EADA reports, UT's brand results in $180,000,000 of revenue per year. Which schools are bigger, or even come close to that?
 
SCNCY said:
I thought I read when NU lost their AAU status that there were some university president's who were skeptical to add NU because of this. Michigan sticks out to me as one who wasn't on board with adding NU, but went with the flow anyways.
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Nebraska lost their AAU after they were in the Big 10, not before. Ku could find itself losing AAU status sometime in the future as well.

Former K-State president said in his recent book that UT did in Nebraska on the AAU thing after NU left the Big 12.
 
surly said:
Nebraska lost their AAU after they were in the Big 10, not before. Ku could find itself in that kind of circumstance as well sometime in the future.
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I understand and know that. But what I was saying is that when the Big 10 was looking at adding their 12 member to the conference, there was fear that Nebraska was going to lose their AAU status. I was just stating that some Big 10 presidents weren't on board with adding Nebraska to the conference because they felt that Nebraska was going to lose their AAU membership down the road. Ultimately, those presidents went with the flow and accepted Nebraska anyways, despite the fear of them potentially losing their AAU membership later.
 
boone7247 said:
I have stopped worrying about ISU getting into a conference if the B12 were to fail. We have a great institution are the largest state school in Iowa. We will get in somewhere. We are certainly more attractive than TT and KSU.

I think we could end up in the ACC. They value basketball and academics. ISU provides those. ISU will be fine.

After righting all that I am ready to be done with this nonsense. B12 should just call all the P5 conference commissioners and wrap this up. Get everyone a landing spot get our 4 conferences of 16 and be done.
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Does this guy even English? Note to self don't post when in a hurry. Must proof read!

surly said:
Nebraska lost their AAU after they were in the Big 10, not before. Ku could find itself losing AAU status sometime in the future as well.

Former K-State president said in his recent book that UT did in Nebraska on the AAU thing after NU left the Big 12.
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Can you explain why KU might be losing AAU? I am slow and don't want to look it up.
 
surly said:
Nebraska lost their AAU after they were in the Big 10, not before. Ku could find itself losing AAU status sometime in the future as well.

Former K-State president said in his recent book that UT did in Nebraska on the AAU thing after NU left the Big 12.
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I believe it was well-known that Knebraska was going to lose their AAU status well before they joined the Big 10. They hadn't even come close to meeting the requirements for membership in quite some time. One of the reasons the Big 10 athletic administrators pushed their membership through so fast is so that they could avoid the politics involved if kNu was a non-member of the AAU. Sure, it was a technicality. If they had waited, there wouldn't have even been a deceptive technicality. It would have been bold-faced hypocrisy.
 
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There are 2 additional spots into the B1G, if 4 16 school super-conferences are the ending trajectory.

OU and KU to the B1G would be the worst case scenario for Iowa State imo. 2 new markets and each new state's primary viewership driver for the B1G. This would leave KSU, OSU, and ISU as 3 "little brother" state schools looking for a home, alongside Tech/Baylor/TCU.

The mitigates are that the Oklahoma and Kansas govt's might step in and limit sever-ability between those schools. The B1G would never take both KU/KSU and or OU/OSU. ISU would be a much easier add-in in terms of academic match and geographic proximity, although clearly a non-value add TV play, only besting KSU in that regard.
 
surly said:
aTm $192 million.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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Please see history. aTm is not historically on UT level. I believe a bunch of that revenue is for the build out of their stadium. For the 5 previous years UT avg revenue per year is $156m while aTm's is $100m. That is a pretty big gap. Also see how their costs didn't increase that significantly. That tells me there was a specific fund raising event.
 
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Is there any positive energy left in this thread? Whole bunch of doom and gloom going on.

Houston could help bind Texas to the Big 12. Oklahoma and Texas could realize they are on deck to become the next Missouri if they leave. The TV money could be enough to bind the league together and get an extension of the GOR.

The game hasn't played out, but it's so Big 12 to have expansion talk move so quickly into conference death
 
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boone7247 said:
Please see history. aTm is not historically on UT level. I believe a bunch of that revenue is for the build out of their stadium. For the 5 previous years UT avg revenue per year is $156m while aTm's is $100m. That is a pretty big gap. Also see how their costs didn't increase that significantly. That tells me there was a specific fund raising event.
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Just mentioning aTm reminds me of this game:

 
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