Possible huge snow storm next week?


Considering the Des Moines record is 16, I doubt they will get 18.


Keep in mind this is just 24 hour snow. This record doesn't necessarily mean it's the most snow from a storm... as you know storms can stretch over multiple days. Dec. 31, 1941 also had 2" of snow fall, it could be from the same storm, I just don't know without digging into it more than I want to.

I don't know what that record is, but it could be higher.

Still... it doubt it's higher than 2 feet. We just don't have a moisture source to get the insane totals that Nor'easters can provide, like what we saw in WV last weekend.
 



Keep in mind this is just 24 hour snow. This record doesn't necessarily mean it's the most snow from a storm... as you know storms can stretch over multiple days. Dec. 31, 1941 also had 2" of snow fall, it could be from the same storm, I just don't know without digging into it more than I want to.

I don't know what that record is, but it could be higher.

Still... it doubt it's higher than 2 feet. We just don't have a moisture source to get the insane totals that Nor'easters can provide, like what we saw in WV last weekend.


I think the one-event record for Des Moines is 23.something. Technically includes 3 different calendar days, but I'd have to double check for sure.

So, yeah...awd4cy is correct. Don't put much money on those 99th percentile 5-8 day model runs. They'll be coming down. Probably.
 
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I stand corrected. I thought the storm in 96' was the record.
Was that the Jan. 26th blizzard? Unless my memory serves me wrong.....that snow fell within a 10 hour period. Lightning for a few hours after it started. Even some cloud to ground strikes. Something you don't see every winter.
 
Keep in mind that we are dealing with a record El Niño year and Pacific water temps off the West Coast are at record levels. The East Coast just set record 24 hour snowfalls at many locations...some records were 120+ year records. Why not us?
 
I think the one-event record for Des Moines is 23.something. Technically includes 3 different calendar days, but I'd have to double check for sure.

So, yeah...awd4cy is correct. Don't put much money on those 99th percentile 5-8 day model runs. They'll be coming down.

Why do they always come down? I feel like if the models are predicting the most likely totals then there should be equal probability that it goes down OR up. However, it seems the actual totals are always lower than what the computers say days in advance.
 
Why do they always come down? I feel like if the models are predicting the most likely totals then there should be equal probability that it goes down OR up. However, it seems the actual totals are always lower than what the computers say days in advance.

Probably because you only see the models when they are predicting big events.
 
Why do they always come down? I feel like if the models are predicting the most likely totals then there should be equal probability that it goes down OR up. However, it seems the actual totals are always lower than what the computers say days in advance.

Obviously they don't always come down. They can go up too, but as to why they spit out 99th percentile solutions? Many reasons:

All these maps that have been posted in this thread are raw snowfall totals, that don't take into account melting or snowfall compaction. I think in many cases above there's at least a 3"+ bias baked into it because of this alone.

Something that we see particularly in the summer, but can also apply here are feedback loops, convective feedback. Basically problems with how the model handles convection and how storm that the model has spun up is modifying the modeled environment...it can create a runaway train effect (in summer, it's going to storm cause its so humid, it's so humid cause of these storms, it's going to storm cause it's humid...).

Think Spiderman 2 (I think)...when the bad guy's "precious tritium™" sun energy whatsit becomes self-sustaining, more or less what's going on sometimes with the run away snow or rain totals.

There are other biases that are in the models, things they don't/can't handle well.

Plus, with the storm still way out in the Pacific, it obviously isn't getting sampled, so there's very little real information going into the starting point. Then you add in the fact that the model is running in an "idealized" environment, and the resulting error propagation and "compounding interest" errors make for some crazy results.
 
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got the husband to pull the trigger on getting a snowblower today. So I've for certain just turned a 12 inch blizzard into a 2 inch dusting for south central WI. Feel free to thank me!
 
got the husband to pull the trigger on getting a snowblower today. So I've for certain just turned a 12 inch blizzard into a 2 inch dusting for south central WI. Feel free to thank me!

I, too, have contributed to the hysteria. The hardware store also said they're already selling through their stock in advance of the warnings.
 
I, too, have contributed to the hysteria. The hardware store also said they're already selling through their stock in advance of the warnings.

I shoveled for about an hour this week after our "1 inch" turned into 4-5 and then husband did another 45-1 hour. He thought we'd be fine for this upcoming one, I'm like you see these piles we have along the driveway? We'll have twice the snow and twice the distance to move it. Get a snowblower! The 7-8 inches with no pile buildup right before NYE was bad enough.
 
Watched the 6:00 weather on KARE 11 while riding bike at Life Time. They were calling for minimal snow here but did confirm that everyone in Iowa and Illinois and parts of Wisconsin is going to die. Bummer for you guys.
 
Watched the 6:00 weather on KARE 11 while riding bike at Life Time. They were calling for minimal snow here but did confirm that everyone in Iowa and Illinois and parts of Wisconsin is going to die. Bummer for you guys.


dammit