Sideline Rules (in KU/OU game)

[randomfan44]

b. The designated spot shall be 3-feet wide with no depth limitation KU did a pretty good job of limiting the depth of the space with their courtside structures... I don't know all the official rules of basketball...I freely admit that. However, on many occasions I have seen refs stop an inbounds play and instruct the defender to back off. And Mason was chest to chest with Hield and over the line during the inbounds play.

And the refs was free to ask him to back up, which he did, and after that, the ref was free to ask him again or issue a warning or even call a technical. There are about 1000 judgement calls by refs in every game. Shall we question them all or just the ones that fans feel would have better led to the result they wanted?

 

[randomfan44]

The refs missed that. It's 3 feet and that part of the floor gave Buddy no room to be back farther. They blew the call

It's three feet WIDE and that part of (and every part of) the floor provided that.

 

[herbicide]

I love me some Kansas fan's remarks.

 

[Cycsk]

And the refs was free to ask him to back up, which he did, and after that, the ref was free to ask him again or issue a warning or even call a technical. There are about 1000 judgement calls by refs in every game. Shall we question them all or just the ones that fans feel would have better led to the result they wanted?

Yet, you have no trouble focusing on the one against Mason in the first half was a bad call. And I think most of us agree.

Now, admit that the one against Mason at the end of the second half was a bad no-call.

Have some integrity.

 

[CycloneWarning]

Agreed. And I make reference to "that" 3-foot rule (having a space of 3 feet wide to move) in a post above. However, I don't find any reference to "the" 3-foot rule about a defender having to stand 3 feet back. Yet, many of us have seen it called and assumed it was a rule.

The NCAA will need to clarify that rule if it exists . . . or you are going to see some drastically different defenses on out-of-bounds plays for the rest of the season.

I don't think the rule applies to the defender. He can be up to the line. The rule applies that the court should have 3 feet of space around it.

If the case of AFH, if that is not "possible", then the ref should be accommodating to the fact that the court is not standard, and the defender should have been backed off a little to allow a fair play.

 

[Wesley]

The refs missed that. It's 3 feet and that part of the floor gave Buddy no room to be back farther. They blew the call

Probably on purpose. B12 refs for the kill. They were out of gas.

 

[RedDog]

The only Apology that should be issued by the Big 12 is for the foul call against Mason at the end of the first half by the ref standing directly behind the OU player who could not possibly have seen if a foul was even committed (which it wasn't) and which resulted in Bill Self getting a technical, OU getting three points instead of the run out layup for Mason and Mason having to play the rest of the game with more fouls than he earned.

Bill has a poop mouth, my 8 year old son didn't know if he should go with 'earmuffs' or 'blinders'.

 

[randomfan44]

Agreed. And I make reference to "that" 3-foot rule (having a space of 3 feet wide to move) in a post above. However, I don't find any reference to "the" 3-foot rule about a defender having to stand 3 feet back. Yet, many of us have seen it called and assumed it was a rule. The NCAA will need to clarify that rule if it exists . . . or you are going to see some drastically different defenses on out-of-bounds plays for the rest of the season.

Defenders play up to the line in every game I watch. This wasn't a drastic change to the norm. Just an overreaction from online people fed by media who want click bait from people who like to cheer against Kansas.

 

[brentblum]

It is clear they needed to give Mason a warning and told him to back up and not cross the plane. They missed it. I will say a game of that intensity with so many make/break calls, the crew for the most part did outstanding. There were literally thousands of judgment calls made and officials are destined to miss a few. They aren't robots. It just sucks that this one happened during a critical point in the game.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Agreed. And I make reference to "that" 3-foot rule (having a space of 3 feet wide to move) in a post above. However, I don't find any reference to "the" 3-foot rule about a defender having to stand 3 feet back. Yet, many of us have seen it called and assumed it was a rule.

The NCAA will need to clarify that rule if it exists . . . or you are going to see some drastically different defenses on out-of-bounds plays for the rest of the season.

Clarification would be good...otherwise it will become a common sight.

On most courts and in most points of entry the inbounding player can step back a bit to create his own space. Unfortunately that was not possible for Hield, making it that much more important for the refs to clarify the line.

 

[besserheimerphat]

With unlimited depth for the in-bounder, why not step up on the scorer's table or even behind it? Surely there isn't a rule specifying that the player's feet have to be on the court. Assuming the play isn't designed to go back to the in-bounder, it doesn't matter if it takes him a couple seconds to get back on the court.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

And the refs was free to ask him to back up, which he did, and after that, the ref was free to ask him again or issue a warning or even call a technical. There are about 1000 judgement calls by refs in every game. Shall we question them all or just the ones that fans feel would have better led to the result they wanted?

Yup. And I'm saying that the ref blew that judgement call. Which is pretty much what most of us (except you) are saying here. Even Mason admits that he "got away with it".

OU might not have made the basket even if the inbounding was not suspect. But we'll never know that...and IMO this win has an asterisk by it...much like some other wins KU has had in the past.

 

[ISU42]

Defenders play up to the line in every game I watch. This wasn't a drastic change to the norm. Just an overreaction from online people fed by media who want click bait from people who like to cheer against Kansas.

Except most of us saw the infractions while the game was going on.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

Defenders play up to the line in every game I watch. This wasn't a drastic change to the norm. Just an overreaction from online people fed by media who want click bait from people who like to cheer against Kansas.

I think if you go back to when it occurred in this thread (and others) you will see that we were commenting on it long before the media or the pundits commented on it. You're stretching here.

Edit - this thread began AFTER the game was over. However, my comment holds true for the game thread.

 

[ImJustKCClone]

With unlimited depth for the in-bounder, why not step up on the scorer's table or even behind it? Surely there isn't a rule specifying that the player's feet have to be on the court. Assuming the play isn't designed to go back to the in-bounder, it doesn't matter if it takes him a couple seconds to get back on the court.

Now THAT would be entertaining to see!

 

[Doc]

The only Apology that should be issued by the Big 12 is for the foul call against Mason at the end of the first half by the ref standing directly behind the OU player who could not possibly have seen if a foul was even committed (which it wasn't) and which resulted in Bill Self getting a technical, OU getting three points instead of the run out layup for Mason and Mason having to play the rest of the game with more fouls than he earned.

 

[randomfan44]

With unlimited depth for the in-bounder, why not step up on the scorer's table or even behind it? Surely there isn't a rule specifying that the player's feet have to be on the court. Assuming the play isn't designed to go back to the in-bounder, it doesn't matter if it takes him a couple seconds to get back on the court.

On a spot throw in, so long as they stay within the 3 foot wide area and get the ball in within the five second rule they can do whatever they want.

 

[kcdc4isu]

There were calls missed in this game both ways. People who were wanting Kansas to win will point out the ones that went against them and vice versa. The issue is for the Oklahoma fans was there were a couple calls that were at critical stages that did affect the out come. The goal tending and out of bounds call being the worst. But there was no way the official was going to make the last call as he was to near coach Self and had already given him a "T" and did not want another conversation/confrontation with him.Over all the officials did a good job IMO in the game just too bad a couplecalls are what people are talking about.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

There is no question that it was a violation. The first time a defender goes thru the plane of the sideline or endline. It is give a delay of game warning. The second time it is a technical. I do mostly High School and some college women. I have called that many times. Especially when there isn't much depth to the out of bounce line.
It is a big advantage to the defense. It cuts down on the angle that the inbounder can throw.
That to me is the first and foremost job of the official that is responsible for the throw in.
The officials mostly did a good job, but you cant miss that play.
It was same official that game Self a Tecnical. He had called a foul when it was very obvious it was all ball. He was the weak leak on the crew. John Higgins was one of the other officials. I think he is one of the best officials in the game today.

Congratulations, but I fail to see what the bolded statement has to do with this discussion.

 

[Bigman38]

It is clear they needed to give Mason a warning and told him to back up and not cross the plane. They missed it. I will say a game of that intensity with so many make/break calls, the crew for the most part did outstanding. There were literally thousands of judgment calls made and officials are destined to miss a few. They aren't robots. It just sucks that this one happened during a critical point in the game.

Everyone misses some is a weak excuse for blowing an inbounds play after a dead ball. I get that they miss things in the flow of the game, but that's not what happened here. The ref has a perfect field of view and has one area to watch before the ball is inbounded. It wasn't "missed" it was seen and for whatever reason they decided not to enforce it.

It's too bad, that was a great game that IMO the crew did a pretty good job up until the end. The only other point there was a glaring mistake was the missed goaltend.