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If Paul stays, what would be different next year?

norcalcy

norcalcy

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-More physical line play?
-Finally, the right kind of offense for our personnel?
-Player development finally kicks in and we have more depth on both sides of the ball?
-Finally the right group assistant coaches and an uptick in recruiting?

I am seeing lots of reasons offered to keep him around. What could we see in year 8 of a Paul Rhoads regime that would be different from years 1-7?
 
We need to see more of Sturdy and how the offense progresses. OU was a really bad match-up for the offense...hell for the team in general. If the O shows good tempo, and controls the game (somewhat) vs WVU/KSU, then I think we could say the future looks brighter than it did 2 weeks ago, even if this staff stays.
 
We would get an even more stern statement from Paul about how the program is going in the right direction after he scratches out a win against whatever scrub team we have in the OOC next year.
 
"Different" things you'll see with next year's team that we've rarely seen in the recent past:

1. 9 defensive starters returning and a LOT of young talent (Peavy/Harvey/Cotton-Moya) that's played very well

2. A sophomore RB who ran for well over a thousand yards as a freshman...returning.

3. A young but inexperienced QB returning who's shown some Collin Klein-esqu capabilities and leadership while earning his spurs as a Sophomore starter.

4. An OL that returns a good core in Campos, Burton, Philbert and Dunning (Severs and Scroggins likely as well).

5. A VERY talented WR corps that will continue to improve.

6. An actually capable Offensive Coordinator in Sturdy...a guy who should have had the job years ago.

7. Some very good young assistant coaches (Linguist, Ayeni, Eggen, Blaney, Sturdy) coming back.

8. A solid defensive line with experienced AND talented returnees (Tucker, Jh Thomas, Aka, Trent, Waggoner, Leath).

9. Another infusion of 3-5 impact Jucos...relates to our new recruiting philosophy which gave us a similar impact this year....(impact "junior" class Jucos/transfers this year included Tucker, Harris, Jh Thomas, Philbert, Jones...and to a lesser extent due to late arrival Leath).

10. A coach and staff that really have accepted the mistakes they've made over the past 5 years and have made big changes to correct them...that shows the kind of moral courage to accept one's errors and FIX them. That fixing process is in its early stages, but it is under way and accelerating...a big part of this simply being having a much better young staff.

And yes, a lot of these are subjective but they are also supported by the preponderance of the evidence, albeit in some cases anecdotal.
 
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norcalcy said:
-More physical line play? Wouldn't matter
-Finally, the right kind of offense for our personnel? Wouldn't matter
-Player development finally kicks in and we have more depth on both sides of the ball? Wouldn't matter
-Finally the right group assistant coaches and an uptick in recruiting? It wouldn't matter and airport is still too far away.

I am seeing lots of reasons offered to keep him around. What could we see in year 8 of a Paul Rhoads regime that would be different from years 1-7?
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You used the word "finally" in 3 of your 4 questions. In year eight that's not good. If he returns.....the only "finally" that needs to be realized is that JP "finally" puts aside personal ties and let's him go. Because has this been another AD's hire like a DMAC or Morgan producing these results........JP would have cut ties with him last year.....if not the year before.
 
I don't follow football recruiting like some of you (and to be honest didn't follow basketball recruiting much until Hoiberg years made it fun). It's obvious we have young talent at offensive skill positions, not just speed but some size/power as well. Is there some kind of hope for the O and D line with young players or upcoming classes/jucos I can't see on the field?
 
i think the main things would be an easier schedule and actual identity on offense. I think it should be a 5-6 win team.
 
IMO, we have improved this year. Record does not reflect it though. We should definitely have a win over Toledo. See how the rest of the year plays out. Not sure we make a change with the large amount of jobs opened up this year. Face it, we are not going to be as a attractive as most of those jobs. Add int he buyout factor, and it looks like you go another year with CPR. We do have a young team. And we do have some talent. We have a new QB now and an exciting young RB. Unless he really lays an egg I think CPR is back. The OU game is not really reflective IMO. I actually think OU runs the table. Still can't see how Texas beat them.
 
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You used the word "finally" in 3 of your 4 questions. In year eight that's not good. If he returns.....the only "finally" that needs to be realized is that JP "finally" puts aside personal ties and let's him go. Because has this been another AD's hire like a DMAC or Morgan producing these results........JP would have cut ties with him last year.....if not the year before.
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This is just not true...the reasons for keeping Coach Rhoads from last year to this were very different than the situation with Mac. For one, had we kept Mac do you really think we'd have sold almost 40000 season tickets that ensuing year....in fact, we never got much over 30000 with Mac. Further, Mac had a far easier schedule to deal with...so simply comparing records tells very little about the kind of product each coach has been putting on the field. There was a sense of no hope at the end of the Mac era, not feeling that is pervasive with the fan base now...though it may be more pervasive on this site.

More importantly, Pollard understands just how important stability is for a program like ISU...and how hard it is to find a good coach who doesn't see us as just a step on his path to better things. And that matters, because no matter how often the canard is trotted out that says "Well, if someone uses us as a stepping stone at least that means he was successful"...guys like Chizik show just how untrue that belief is.

Of course, you're right that its not good in year 8 to have to use the descriptor "finally" in reference to changes being made. But what's MORE important, is the realization that radical changes ARE actually being made...better a lesson learned late than one not learned at all. And having seen that the lesson is learned....even belatedly...how foolish would it be to tear everything down and salt the earth in hopes of eventually going through all of this again with some coach who really cares nothing for ISU?

There is a break point where Rhoads has to depart....and he is certainly pushing on that boundary with ALL of us. But given his willingness to evolve and the other intangibles he brings the program (devotion, local roots, great coaching experience at previous stops, and charisma)...if there is ANY sign of turning the ship around we would be incredibly wise to be exceedingly patient with that process.

If Coach Rhoads should "lose out" the rest of this season, he'll have to go in my view...but we'd better go into that process knowing its going to be VERY destructive for the ISU program and is very likely to result in our getting a relatively untried (at the P5 level) head coach with little loyalty or love for ISU.
 
What changes with a new coaching regime? Same general schedule and similar results.
 
Nothing. We would still have a talented team that under preforms. Coaching is the issue, and has been for a few years.
 
Doc said:
i think the main things would be an easier schedule and actual identity on offense. I think it should be a 5-6 win team.
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OU will better, Okie St will be better, Texas will be better, Tech will be better, Baylor gon Baylor, WV gets their QB back, KU can't get any worse, K State gets a ton back, other than TCU the league will return most of its firepower (Boykin is the only sr QB). This year was the down year for the conference. Next year the schedule will be even more difficult.
 
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This is just not true...the reasons for keeping Coach Rhoads from last year to this were very different than the situation with Mac. For one, had we kept Mac do you really think we'd have sold almost 40000 season tickets that ensuing year....in fact, we never got much over 30000 with Mac. Further, Mac had a far easier schedule to deal with...so simply comparing records tells very little about the kind of product each coach has been putting on the field. There was a sense of no hope at the end of the Mac era, not feeling that is pervasive with the fan base now...though it may be more pervasive on this site.

More importantly, Pollard understands just how important stability is for a program like ISU...and how hard it is to find a good coach who doesn't see us as just a step on his path to better things. And that matters, because no matter how often the canard is trotted out that says "Well, if someone uses us as a stepping stone at least that means he was successful"...guys like Chizik show just how untrue that belief is.

Of course, you're right that its not good in year 8 to have to use the descriptor "finally" in reference to changes being made. But what's MORE important, is the realization that radical changes ARE actually being made...better a lesson learned late than one not learned at all. And having seen that the lesson is learned....even belatedly...how foolish would it be to tear everything down and salt the earth in hopes of eventually going through all of this again with some coach who really cares nothing for ISU?

There is a break point where Rhoads has to depart....and he is certainly pushing on that boundary with ALL of us. But given his willingness to evolve and the other intangibles he brings the program (devotion, local roots, great coaching experience at previous stops, and charisma)...if there is ANY sign of turning the ship around we would be incredibly wise to be exceedingly patient with that process.

If Coach Rhoads should "lose out" the rest of this season, he'll have to go in my view...but we'd better go into that process knowing its going to be VERY destructive for the ISU program and is very likely to result in our getting a relatively untried (at the P5 level) head coach with little loyalty or love for ISU.
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Exactly how often does that happen? And in that sitution Auburn fired the guy so highly doubt you will see the hiring of a failing coach to another P5 program

In terms of destructive to the program, so we could win 1 game instead of 2 or 3? When you live in a mansion and a tornado comes through and destroys it that is destructive. When you live in a shack and it gets destroyed, it doesn't take much to up up another shack. You mention not loyal to ISU, heck we hired 2 guys that were favorite sons of ISU that left, so really not too worried about the loyalty part.

That said with all the vacancies, ISU would be relegated to the end of the line in terms of hires. Might as well just eat another year of a bad contract.

Who knows maybe the league adds 2 more schools, which might result in avoid having to play 2 of TCU, Baylor, OU, and OSU. For a couple of years. (I assume we would have to still play 9 conference). At this point that is where my hopes are.

That or hire Ed Orgeron to run the defense. That man can flat out recruit. Though I think he makes like 900K now, so probably cannot afford him.
 
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CPR is going to take a page out of Hayden Fry's book and paint the home team's locker room pink.
 
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