15 words beyond what I bolded says everything is the same. What you said, is not the same. Hence, you're projecting that if races were different the situation would have been perceived different. I disagree, & fail to see the relevance.
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15 words beyond what I bolded says everything is the same. What you said, is not the same. Hence, you're projecting that if races were different the situation would have been perceived different. I disagree, & fail to see the relevance.
Yes, that is what I am saying based on some of the comments I read in this thread. I'd rather not spend my evening parsing through posts and calling individual posters out as racists so I will choose instead to move on and agree to disagree. But I still believe that if you put this exact same situation in small-town Iowa, we would see different comments from some of the posters here (and on Facebook, and elsewhere) and that some of the assumptions made about the situation are unfortunate. I think we are better as a society than that.
Well I don't think it would get to this point in small town Iowa.
So I guess we do agree to disagree.
Now this is completely irrelevant to our discussion that began with my post. I never said it was likely (it's not) or even possible (it is). If you think that is the major point of disagreement here, then I am truly lost as to how to continue a discussion with you.
I've watched this video dozens of times now and even went to bed last night thinking about it. I have been trying to withhold judgement until more information comes to light and maybe something will change my mind. However, the more I think about it, the less I am inclined to say the force matched the situation. Even if the student was 100% wrong in this situation, it looks like the officer let his emotions get the best of him and you simply can't do that.
These kids need to be taught a lesson, nothing wrong with spanking or physically disciplining your kids. Kids now a days are just running wild with no fear, Parents need to take control of their kids again and make them act like part of society.
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That's not the point, though. I don't think anyone is arguing that the girl did nothing wrong. Obviously she did. The argument is that the response from the SRO was excessive, given the girl's infraction.
Yeah, the kid apocalypse is coming. Better buy extra ammo and stock your bunker. Packs of wild, out of control children will soon be roaming the streets preying on soft, wishy washy parents.
It IS the point. If she would have gave her phone to the teacher as probably every other student would have done, she wouldn't be in the news. Plain and simple.
Did he use too much force? Absolutely.
IMO this is a case of the old adage "Two wrongs don't make it right". There are at this time to many unknowns by people making comments.
1. what did she do to bother the teacher
2.how long had she been doing what she was doing (it was said she was using her phone)
3. why did the administrator not able to handle the issue
4. was the officer on site or was he called to respond, if called how long did it take him to get there
5. second and third videos show more reaction from the student
Without all the information it is hard to say who was out of line. To just see the video without knowing what happened up to when the officer arrived the first opinion is the officer over reacted. IMO the school should of just let her sit there till class was over and not called the police if the school administrator was not willing to handle the issue.
1. what did she do to bother the teacher
2.how long had she been doing what she was doing (it was said she was using her phone)
3. why did the administrator not able to handle the issue
4. was the officer on site or was he called to respond, if called how long did it take him to get there
5. second and third videos show more reaction from the student
Without all the information it is hard to say who was out of line. To just see the video without knowing what happened up to when the officer arrived the first opinion is the officer over reacted. IMO the school should of just let her sit there till class was over and not called the police if the school administrator was not willing to handle the issue.
I have never understood how we teach our kids that hitting is wrong but it is ok to punish them with physical violence.
If we use physical violence as a form of punishment we can't be surprised that there is so much violence in our society.
If we use physical violence as a form of punishment we can't be surprised that there is so much violence in our society.
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Not true. Adolescents are insolent and defiant every single day in every single city in this country. Administrators and authority figures are called down to classrooms to deal with disruptive students all the time. Do you think she is the first student to refuse to leave a classroom when ordered to by a teacher? or refuse to give up a cell phone? I guarantee you she's not. How come all of those other incidents don't end up on the news. The reason this is in the news is because of the cop's excessive force. If he hadn't thrown her across the room, this would not be on the news. If he would have just taken her to the ground, and restrained her, this would not be the story it is. The cop's excessive display of force is what makes this news.
Is it? In my years of high school and college I never once saw a student refuse to give up a phone. Humor me with the argument that this girl's action is normal.
My mom was a teacher and she told a student to go to the office. The student wouldn't leave and my mom tugged at his sleeve, didn't yank it or pull hard and the student reported it to the school. My mom was barred from teaching there because the school had a contract with an agency that hired the teachers. The agency barred my mom from teaching at that school or any other school they represent because they didn't want to deal with the parents who threatened to sue if the student was suspended.
