It doesn't matter who our OC is...

Gnomeborg

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The statistics don't lie.

This is CPR's seventh season as the Head Coach at Iowa State. Today marks the 4th offensive coordinator, but we've only had one defensive coordinator the entire time. This is Wally's 7th season at the helm of our defense.

In the first four seasons, three of which ISU was bowl eligible, the defense gave up, on average, 423.25 yards per game, and allowed opponents to score 25.975 points per game. In the three years since (including this one), ISU has given up 489 yards per game, and 36.56667 points per game. That's 65.75 additional yards per game and 10.59 additional points, or a 15% increase in yards allowed and a 40% increase in points.

In those same time periods, Iowa State's offense has actually gotten better. Not much better, but still better. In the first 4 seasons, Iowa State averaged 358 yards per game, and scored 22.475 points. In the last three (including this one), those numbers have risen to 386 yards per game and 25.3 points. That's only 28 yards and 2.825 points, or 7.8% and 12.5%, but it's still an increase in offensive production.

And even more telling is the fact that in the first four seasons, time of possession has actually moved in Iowa State's favor. Iowa State's defense was on the field an average of 31:32 in the first four seasons, while they were only asked to be on the field for 29:11 in the last three seasons.

Don't get me wrong, the offense hasn't been good at ISU. But the difference between three bowl seasons and an almost-bowl season hasn't been the offense. It's been a defense that has gotten worse, and significantly worse when it comes to allowing points. And that defense hasn't been more hampered by an ineffective offense in the mean time. In fact, that offense has helped the defense out even more in the last 2.5 seasons than it did in the previous 4.

And I know what some of you are thinking. Including this year is a bit disingenuous, because we've already played TTU, TCU, and Baylor, but haven't face the more mundane offenses of Texas, WVU and KSU. Of course our defense is going to look worse if we include those games without the evening out effect. But if we eliminate this year from the statistics, the defense gets worse (it goes from 489 yards and 36.56667 points to 501 yards and 37.4 points), but so does the defense (going from 386 yards and 25.3 points to 368 yards and 24.5 points).

The trend continues, though. The defense is getting worse while the offense is getting better.
 
The statistics don't lie.

This is CPR's seventh season as the Head Coach at Iowa State. Today marks the 4th offensive coordinator, but we've only had one defensive coordinator the entire time. This is Wally's 7th season at the helm of our defense.

In the first four seasons, three of which ISU was bowl eligible, the defense gave up, on average, 423.25 yards per game, and allowed opponents to score 25.975 points per game. In the three years since (including this one), ISU has given up 489 yards per game, and 36.56667 points per game. That's 65.75 additional yards per game and 10.59 additional points, or a 15% increase in yards allowed and a 40% increase in points.

In those same time periods, Iowa State's offense has actually gotten better. Not much better, but still better. In the first 4 seasons, Iowa State averaged 358 yards per game, and scored 22.475 points. In the last three (including this one), those numbers have risen to 386 yards per game and 25.3 points. That's only 28 yards and 2.825 points, or 7.8% and 12.5%, but it's still an increase in offensive production.

And even more telling is the fact that in the first four seasons, time of possession has actually moved in Iowa State's favor. Iowa State's defense was on the field an average of 31:32 in the first four seasons, while they were only asked to be on the field for 29:11 in the last three seasons.

Don't get me wrong, the offense hasn't been good at ISU. But the difference between three bowl seasons and an almost-bowl season hasn't been the offense. It's been a defense that has gotten worse, and significantly worse when it comes to allowing points. And that defense hasn't been more hampered by an ineffective offense in the mean time. In fact, that offense has helped the defense out even more in the last 2.5 seasons than it did in the previous 4.

And I know what some of you are thinking. Including this year is a bit disingenuous, because we've already played TTU, TCU, and Baylor, but haven't face the more mundane offenses of Texas, WVU and KSU. Of course our defense is going to look worse if we include those games without the evening out effect. But if we eliminate this year from the statistics, the defense gets worse (it goes from 489 yards and 36.56667 points to 501 yards and 37.4 points), but so does the defense (going from 386 yards and 25.3 points to 368 yards and 24.5 points).

The trend continues, though. The defense is getting worse while the offense is getting better.

You can quote meaningless statistics all day, the eyeball test tells me the offense is responsible for a lot of the bad defensive numbers.
 
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the defense didn't lose the toledo or iowa game, imo, and those 2 are the difference between 4-3 and 2-5

Plus the defense gave you a chance against TCU and Baylor. Really, the defense has played one awful game in which they gave up far more points than you would expect. If the offense is just competent against Iowa and Toledo we win. If they have just one break out game against Baylor or TCU, we have a chance. Results are results but again, TTU was an awful game before two decent efforts. No one is straight up stopping TCU and Baylor but our defense got some stops while the offense sat and sputtered for large periods of time. I mean, if they just put up 7 points in the first half of the Baylor game it gets pretty interesting.

I don't know what's going to happen these last 5 games but we have a chance in four of them. I'm guessing we win 2 but if somehow we win 4, you can look back and see that it shouldn't be shocking. It also won't surprise me if we thump Texas this week. Won't surprise me if we get thumped either.
 
The offense has been consistently bad throughout the entire Rhoads era, whether it's been Herman, Messingham, or Mangino as OC...

This is year 7 of the Rhoads era and we've NEVER had a good offense under him.. I think Paul is a genuine good person, and I will root for him in future endeavors, but I hope that people aren't foolish enough to think this should buy PR more time...

7 years is long enough, and we've had a whopping 7 wins the last 3 combined with all PR's players.
 
The offense has been consistently bad throughout the entire Rhoads era, whether it's been Herman, Messingham, or Mangino as OC...

This is year 7 of the Rhoads era and we've NEVER had a good offense under him.. I think Paul is a genuine good person, and I will root for him in future endeavors, but I hope that people aren't foolish enough to think this should buy PR more time...

7 years is long enough, and we've had a whopping 7 wins the last 3 combined with all PR's players.

Absolutely the offense has been bad.

But the offense is not the only problem. The defense has been getting consistently worse. The offense has never done enough, but it's not doing less now than it was before.
 
Absolutely the offense has been bad.

But the offense is not the only problem. The defense has been getting consistently worse. The offense has never done enough, but it's not doing less now than it was before.

Not defending the defense at all..just trying to point out that Mangino shouldn't be used as a scapegoat for Rhoads to get more time.
 
Absolutely the offense has been bad.

But the offense is not the only problem. The defense has been getting consistently worse. The offense has never done enough, but it's not doing less now than it was before.

The defense is much improved this season vs last year, which means its not regressing.
 
This ENTIRE situation is subterfuge...

1-Switch quarterbacks...finally

2-Play the #2 team tough and give false hope (partly through #1)

3-Fire your OC


All of this is a diversion tactic. You can't look at me because I'm merely the messenger.

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OP, I'd also like to see some stats on the number of offensive 3 and outs and overall offensive time of posession trends from the last few years before I conclude that the defense is getting worse. Its hard statistically show improvements when you are returning to the field every 4 minutes
 
The end result might not be any different but at least CPR is going down swinging. Glad something is different. Watching the offense so far was like banging your head against the wall.
 
But they can be very misleading. How about--- the average American has one breast and one testicle?

I don't know what kind of weird American you are talking about, but the average American has 2 breasts and one testicle.
 
Head coach needs to have a plan in place for the entire program. Coordinators may come and go but the system and the strategies remain. Paul can't coach offense. That's a big problem. That means whenever a new guy comes in we have to totally change our offensive system and start over.

Bill Snyder has a system of his own. So does Briles. So does Gundy. OC's come and go for those guys quite a bit, but the success doesn't. Some programs recruit enough talent to survive coaching transitions, but we do not.
 

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