Devlyn Cousin transferring

[BBHMagic]

I'm just offering a response to the classic dumping on the kid, like no one else plays a role in this thing.
In the version people were offering, that's a pretty fair interpretation.

I completely disagree. You really believe the coaching staff "couldn't be bothered" to try and keep a player?

The other side of this, though, do you really want him on the team? If all the stuff about him is true, how can you imagine him being anything but a liability in this new culture that the staff is so insisting on?

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I don't want coaches spending time trying to figure out how to motivate a 3rd year guy. If he's going to quit because of this, peace. You can keep making excuses for him if you want, though.

Then it's a recruiting evaluation issue. How did we bring in a guy that mentally weak?

 

[RustShack]

A simple plan, no doubt. Works in the movies every time.

Mental weakness, or lack thereof, is built just as much as it is innate. It would be great if we could rely on just having a bunch of innately tough-minded SOBs, but in reality it is on the coaches to get the best from each player. A guy like Cousins quitting 3 years in just before the season is a failure on both the player and staff.

Sure, at some places "cutting the fat" can be sufficiently done with a chainsaw- other places it is a delicate act of motivation. High and/or critical turnover is ultimately on the coaches as much as it is on the "quitters" they bring in.

It's a failure by the coaching staff for recruiting over him and he's butt hurt he got beat out?

 

[RustShack]

Then it's a recruiting evaluation issue. How did we bring in a guy that mentally weak?

You're not actually stupid are you? Literally every single school has players that quit, transfer out, and get booted for various reasons. All schools will take a flyer on a talented player. Not every player pans out how coaches plan. Do you understand how many players are on a team or how many teams there are? No school bats .1000 on recruiting.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Never mind, the staff bears no responsibility for recruiting a player with a bad attitude, who never really made a major contribution to any football team while on the roster, for not being able to fix that attitude, and also for letting that player at ISU's historically thinnest position leave a week before the first game after using a scholarship for 3+ years.

None whatsoever. It is mostly the fault of negative nancy posters on CF dragging the program down.

 

[CycloneErik]

Never mind, the staff bears no responsibility for recruiting a player with a bad attitude, for not being able to fix that attitude, and also for letting that player at ISU's historically thinnest position leave a week before the first game after using a scholarship for 3+ years.

None whatsoever. It is mostly the fault of negative nancy posters on CF dragging the program down.

Welcome to football season. It just ramps up from here.

 

[RustShack]

We can't start all 85 scholarship players. A player leaving because he got beat out isn't a bad thing, it means there's competition and better players than him. It's not the staffs fault he's mentally weak. Coaches can only do so much, players have to do their own part. If being a team player isn't in his DNA, then let him go.

When a coach says he's not surprised that a player quit, he's probably not the type of guy you want around the team anyways especially when trying to focus on creating a winning culture.

 

[BBHMagic]

Look, I know you guys would really rather just continue bashing the coaching staff, and I've already tried asking this question, but let me try one more time: If everything we've heard is true, why do you want him on the team anyway? Mutcherson, Brackens, Nealy, ect were good players, but from things I've and others have heard they were horrible for team moral. The coaches have clearly decided they aren't going to take risks on dealing with that type of player anymore. We are now hearing that Cousins may not want to be a part of the culture change.

After seeing what that type of player has done to this team, let me ask again, why do you want him on the team?

Disclaimer: This is all assuming that the rumors about his departure are true which people on both sides seem to using when making their arguments. The rumors could, of course, be completely wrong.

 

[00clone]

He shouldn't need someone to motivate him at this point in his career. He was plenty motivated last year playing though numerous injuries, but then come this year he gets beat out and gives up.

Never mind, the staff bears no responsibility for recruiting a player with a bad attitude, who never really made a major contribution to any football team while on the roster, for not being able to fix that attitude, and also for letting that player at ISU's historically thinnest position leave a week before the first game after using a scholarship for 3+ years.

None whatsoever. It is mostly the fault of negative nancy posters on CF dragging the program down.

Welcome to football season. It just ramps up from here.

I'm going to try and play middle man here, but I'm sure none of you are interested in hearing it. Curt has a point with his statement about not needing to be motivated. There are I think 85 scholarship players, but I'm not a roster checker. If a 3rd year player has to be actively motivated by the coaches to produce in active coaching situations (practices, games, etc.), one can assume that they'll need to be motivated in an active manner outside of those situations. Meaning, sure, you can try and pat him on the back and rub his tummy and make him feel good in practice...but if you're not around to do that watching film, lifting, etc...what's going to make him do it then? As a former leader IRL myself...the most valuable people are people who can get **** done without someone holding their hand. I can't imaging needing to hold the hands of 85-100 people all day every day.

Rhoadhoused/Erik do have a point that it shouldn't have gotten to this point a week before the season starts and 3 years into this guy's career. That's valid. But I also think it's getting A LOT of attention this season from the coaching staff because they realized they did eff it up the last few seasons by trying to limp along and get what they could out of the turds they had around that didn't really want to be there, because it clearly showed on the field, and they're trying to fix it. Too little, too late? Maybe, and certainly in the minds of some on here. However, even if it doesn't work out, I hope they keep up with getting the mindset right that each person has to be responsible for motivating themselves without much interaction from the coaches (some, yes, to be sure, but no hand holding) for the next coaching staff to have a better shot to take over in a good spot. If it does work out, I'm all the happier, since it means we likely had a decent season.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Look, I know you guys would really rather just continue bashing the coaching staff, and I've already tried asking this question, but let me try one more time: If everything we've heard is true, why do you want him on the team anyway? Mutcherson, Brackens, Nealy, ect were good players, but from things I've and others have heard they were horrible for team moral. The coaches have clearly decided they aren't going to take risks on dealing with that type of player anymore. We are now hearing that Cousins may not want to be a part of the culture change.

After seeing what that type of player has done to this team, let me ask again, why do you want him on the team?

Disclaimer: This is all assuming that the rumors about his departure are true which people on both sides seem to using when making their arguments. The rumors could, of course, be completely wrong.

I want my coaches to be able to

A) Reign him in
B) Never recruit a guy who wasn't talented enough to contribute despite being a ****
C) Figure that **** out before he uses a scholarship for 3, and now 4 years.

Rodney Coe is one thing, he was turning into a dominant DT. Cousin was never more than a rotational guy.

Can you think of a worse scenario for the use of a scholarship?

Obviously, the staff made a lot of mistakes with these type of players. There are tons of similar examples like you said.

Nobody said it was easy, but nobody should be saying it isn't the staff's job. They are responsible.

 

[Wesley]

So he quit after the scholly was just impotent by a week for someone else to use so he could get more credits before transferring for his last 30 credits at Georgia Southern? Smart guy.

 

[BBHMagic]

I want my coaches to be able to

A) Reign him in
B) Never recruit a guy who wasn't talented enough to contribute despite being a ****
C) Figure that **** out before he uses a scholarship for 3, and now 4 years.

Rodney Coe is one thing, he was turning into a dominant DT. Cousin was never more than a rotational guy.

Can you think of a worse scenario for the use of a scholarship?

Obviously, the staff made a lot of mistakes with these type of players. There are tons of similar examples like you said.

Nobody said it was easy, but nobody should be saying it isn't the staff's job. They are responsible.

Yep they are responsible. They know they have made mistakes and have been dealing with it as demonstrated by the purge we've seen since the last season. Now why are you still complaining? You are complaining about the past which cannot be changed. Those problems from the past are now being corrected.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Yep they are responsible. They know they have made mistakes and have been dealing with it as demonstrated by the purge we've seen since the last season. Now why are you still complaining? You are complaining about the past which cannot be changed. Those problems from the past are now being corrected.

Why the **** can't I complain about people getting paid millions of dollars to go 5-19 and completely ******* up doing their jobs for years?

 

[00clone]

Why the **** can't I complain about people getting paid millions of dollars to go 5-19 and completely ******* up doing their jobs for years?

You can complain, it's a free country...but when they start to make changes that directly address the glaring problems of the last few years and you then complain about that, too...it kinda looks like you're just looking for a reason to complain. Again...should we have gotten to this point? No...but for the time being, they're in charge. At least they seem to be correcting their earlier errors.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I have recognized my mistakes. I have purged my posting history of my terrible complaining. Going forward I am going to try really hard.

This means that I now immune to any criticism for my past complaints. Anyone who steps out of line and complains about my complaints is only causing me to complain more. It is their fault.

*note that actual results and reality of how much I complain will not be held against me due to me trying really hard*

 

[CyCloned]

We can't start all 85 scholarship players. A player leaving because he got beat out isn't a bad thing, it means there's competition and better players than him. It's not the staffs fault he's mentally weak. Coaches can only do so much, players have to do their own part. If being a team player isn't in his DNA, then let him go.

When a coach says he's not surprised that a player quit, he's probably not the type of guy you want around the team anyways especially when trying to focus on creating a winning culture.

I really am mostly confused about is that DC does not appear to be a mentally weak player. He was out there playing in pain last year because there was no one else available. He went all the way through 2 a days.

 

[Rhoadhoused]

You can complain, it's a free country...but when they start to make changes that directly address the glaring problems of the last few years and you then complain about that, too...it kinda looks like you're just looking for a reason to complain. Again...should we have gotten to this point? No...but for the time being, they're in charge. At least they seem to be correcting their earlier errors.

When did I complain about them addressing it?

I complained that they couldn't fix him and that they made the mistake to take him in the first place.

If they aren't good enough at their jobs to do either of those things, then sure get rid of the guy who is a **** and isn't very good at football. What a heroic move.

Not to mention, they didn't get rid of him. He quit because he wasn't playing.

 

[BBHMagic]

I have recognized my mistakes. I have purged my posting history of my terrible complaining. Going forward I am going to try really hard.

This means that I now immune to any criticism for my past complaints. Anyone who steps out of line and complains about my complaints is only causing me to complain more. It is their fault.

*note that actual results and reality of how much I complain will not be held against me due to me trying really hard*

 

[im4cyclones]

So a guy worked hard before and his leadership couldn't be bothered to find a way to get him back. Good riddance to them. That's poor management.

Coaches aren't responsible for motivating a player to want to play. IMO, fair to question why Rhoads has a retention issue. Fair to question why there was a culture issue in year 6. But the motivation, or apparent lack of motivation, of an individual player to play football falls on the player.

 

[BBHMagic]

When did I complain about them addressing it?

I complained that they couldn't fix him and that they made the mistake to take him in the first place.

If they aren't good enough at their jobs to do either of those things, then sure get rid of the guy who is a **** and isn't very good at football. What a heroic move.

Not to mention, they didn't get rid of him. He quit because he wasn't playing.

Once again: do you wish he was still on the team? If not, then you are just complaining for the sake of complaining about something that has already been addressed by the coaching staff.