*** COACHING SEARCH THREAD: Monday, June 8 ***

I know less than nothing. But Beilein has no buyout at MU and has experienced Hilton Magic.

Everyone have their hope up in an irrational Kool-Aid-induced frenzy? Am I doing this right?

This is not that big of stretch, played well.
 
As for salary, people are delusional if they think TJ will make less than $1 mil. And if we hire Underwood/Prohm/Drew, it will be in the upper $1 mil range.

Anyway, I'm ready for this to be over. Unless we have another Hornacek/agent day...then sign me up for another week.

Just 5 years ago Fred started out at $900k a year. And that was Fred Hoiberg. But I do mostly agree with u. If it is TJ it will prob be in the 1.1-1.4 mil range.
 
Forgot to clarify regarding mystery candidates...

1 of the 2 mystery guys is still considered to be in play, but I still think they're a long shot just because of money. It's really hard seeing us go high enough to get him.

Can you tell us the one who is no longer considered?

Also, why are we passing up the opportunity to make a huge hire just because of the money? Like you've said before, this isn't the 90's anymore. Spend money to make money!
 
Forgot to clarify regarding mystery candidates...

1 of the 2 mystery guys is still considered to be in play, but I still think they're a long shot just because of money. It's really hard seeing us go high enough to get him.

So that means you can now tell us who one of the candidates was right? You weren't spilling the beans because it would hurt our odds, well one guy is eliminated. Spill the beans!
 
One of the two is still considered to be engaged.

Regarding Prohm - it's very normal for the list of assistants to circulate (as I said, others are doing so), but unless JP told him in secret that he would be the guy, some of the things that have spread from Prohm's camp are a bit suspect. Just my opinion based on what we know of how things are unfolding.

If you tell me the one BA mystery candidate that is no longer in play..... I will give you all of my CY-Cash
 
That's the strongest "pro-TJ" point made yet. I can't argue with this one at all.

i hate the idea of tj getting the job. I hate the propaganda machine in place for him. I will be unhappy when he is named the coach.

But I am sure that part of the reason why he didn't get an interview was that drake had just fired the hotshot recruiter head coach who had failed. He would have been more likely had drake just fired a former low major head coach.

Of course, mark phelps is an example of someone with a similar background as tj failing.
 
Just 5 years ago Fred started out at $900k a year. And that was Fred Hoiberg. But I do mostly agree with u. If it is TJ it will prob be in the 1.1-1.4 mil range.

Right. But tons have changed with coaches salaries in the last 5 years.

Iowa paid McCaffery $1.5 mil per from Siena. If we hired Underwood or similar, I'd be $1.75 per would be the amount. I could see TJ around $1.1-$1.2.
 
Can you tell us the one who is no longer considered?

Also, why are we passing up the opportunity to make a huge hire just because of the money? Like you've said before, this isn't the 90's anymore. Spend money to make money!

Spending money just to spend money is not wise. You start talking $3 million plus then the guy better have won a National Championship or been damn close to it IMO. You do not pay someone like Bryce Drew $3.5 to $4 million per season. That is excessive IMO. If he doesn't work out then you have totally screwed our athletic department. The verdict is not given on other issues we have going forward in other sports and we need to use our head and consider all possibilities.
 
i hate the idea of tj getting the job. I hate the propaganda machine in place for him. I will be unhappy when he is named the coach.

But I am sure that part of the reason why he didn't get an interview was that drake had just fired the hotshot recruiter head coach who had failed. He would have been more likely had drake just fired a former low major head coach.

Of course, mark phelps is an example of someone with a similar background as tj failing.


I'm convinced this is not conditional on TJ being named coach...it'll happen no matter what.
 
Just 5 years ago Fred started out at $900k a year. And that was Fred Hoiberg. But I do mostly agree with u. If it is TJ it will prob be in the 1.1-1.4 mil range.

Yeah in the coaching world 900k 5 years ago is probably equal to about 1.3m today.
 
Let's look at some of the winningest coaches in history who coached power teams and how they fared before they got to coach at those power schools:

* Jim Calhoun - .644 at Northeastern University
* Bob Knight - .671 at Army
* Bill Self - .614 at Oral Roberts and Tulsa
* Rick Pitino - .641 at Boston University
* John Wooden - .746 at Indiana State
* Lou Henson - .709 at New Mexico State
* Eddie Sutton - .621 at Creighton
* Bob Huggins - .678 at Akron
* Bo Ryan - .526 at UW-Milwaukee
* Mike Montgomery - .667 at Montana
* Gary Williams - .632 at American University
* John Beilein - .634 at Le Moyne (D2) and .589 at Canisius
* Lon Kruger - .468 at UT-Pan American
* Tubby Smith - .648 at Tulsa

The average for these guys, some of the greatest coaches in the history of the game with many many championships, is in the .600s with much lesser teams before they went to the higher up schools. For someone to put up almost .900? It's insane that none of the coaches on the above list could even sniff. I really don't think you understand how hard it is to put up those types of numbers, even at a lesser school like SFA. It almost never happens, even some of the greatest coaches of all time couldn't put up those types of numbers when they were coaching schools like American University. Lon Kruger couldn't even come out with a winning record at UT Pan American.
On paper you are right Underwood is the slam dunk hire. He checks all the boxes with a proven record, very good resume (people forget that usfa would have received an at large bid even if they had not won their conference Tourney they were a top 35 school), long record of success as an assistant and recruiting at a similar p5 school in our geographic area, great X's and O's coach. He is going to be a great coach somewhere. The two big question marks are his demeanor (will that hurt the chemistry of to next years team) and will he bolt for ksu when webber gets hired. Both of these put a chink in his attractiveness to us. Both his old boss and fellow alum left ksu so am not sure how loyal he would really be should he have success (to ksu that is). Hence if we get a not leaving for ksu assurance in his contract with a reasonable buyout and Pollard trusts him I say roll the dice. If not probably not worth the risk for next year's team and the possibility he leaves.
 
I'm convinced this is not conditional on TJ being named coach...it'll happen no matter what.

fair enough :).

The other 4 haven't had the benefit of an all out campaign for them though. That means that I am less sick of people telling me how good they are.
 
Spending money just to spend money is not wise. You start talking $3 million plus then the guy better have won a National Championship or been damn close to it IMO. You do not pay someone like Bryce Drew $3.5 to $4 million per season. That is excessive IMO. If he doesn't work out then you have totally screwed our athletic department. The verdict is not given on other issues we have going forward in other sports and we need to use our head and consider all possibilities.


I agree, if we open up and give some coach upwards of $3M/yr it better be a 'slam dunk' kind of hire. I can't say who would fit that bill for me but just saying.

If it's TJ I am sure we still end up paying him in the neighborhood of $1M+ just because I think Iowa State should be paying that much for our coach.

If he is successful, it will rapidly increase. That goes for all the candidates.
 
When we hired Johnny Orr, he was one of the highest paid coaches in the country.

When we gave LE a raise, he became one of the highest paid coaches in the country.

Are we going to do it again? I know times have changed. But we were paying LE 1.1 million 14 years ago. Our athetic budget has increased 4x since then.
 

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