* Hoiberg Watch 2015: Wednesday, May 27 Thread

[kingcy]

Am I the only one who's unhappy that Hoiberg is apparently taking Henry with him? It's the only part in this whole saga that rubs me the wrong way a little bit. Tells me Fred sees him as ISU's most talented assistant.

I'm sure there are a number of people as talented as Henry in the BB world; it's unfortunate ISU's coaching staff has to be depleted even more.

Henry is Fred's little project. I doubt a new coach would keep him on. TJ and Mann have experience and could get head coaching jobs at any time. A new coach is going to want some of his guys on the staff. If you were coming in the this situation what asst coaches on this staff bring you the most value?

 

[im4cyclones]

Why not Hornacek WITH TJ? That would be the best of both worlds. Or someone like Brad Underwood with TJ as associate head coach.

Because (1) Hornacek would have to be offered (2) he would have to accept (3) he would have to want TJ and (4) TJ would have to want to stay and work for him. Could happen but you make it sound like it is a slam dunk.

 

[kingcy]

Low to mid major coaches that should be looked at. Underwood is a good choice for a coach. Steve Prohm, Andy Toole, Bryce Drew

TJ is a pretty good assistant but who the heck knows if he will be a good head coach. I hope if he gets chosen it is not just because of continuity. If he gets chosen it needs to be that they feel he will be the best head coach for Iowa State. I think it's really a crap shoot either way unless you hire a proven power 5 coach but that's not going to happen. Also don't think Hornacek would be a sure thing either.
Just don't hire a coach that is going to play slow boring mug the opponent basketball.
And please no Tim Miles. Don't know why people think he is so great.

Who the heck knows if a low to mid major coach could win at this level. There are more coaches that have moved up to a P5 conference that have failed than made it.

 

[Tailg8er]

But guys, if we get Hornacek we can call it Horny-ball!






I just think it's funny how there have been at least 3-4 people who have said this here like they were the first to think of it.

 

[ChrisMWilliams]

Because (1) Hornacek would have to be offered (2) he would have to accept (3) he would have to want TJ and (4) TJ would have to want to stay and work for him. Could happen but you make it sound like it is a slam dunk.

You're correct. A lot has to happen for this to go down.

 

[Sigmapolis]

Not saying TJ as an assistant is 100% a package deal for a new coach, but a lot has to happen to make him *not* part of the new staff...

*ace recruiter of the Midwestern region
*best contact for all of our existing targets
*would hold half the current roster here and, by extension, that half the current roster would keep the other half around and intact for 2015/16 and a core for 2016/17
*good XO guy, learned from Fred for a long time
*yes yes, I know, it's a business, but has a lot of ties to Ames and ISU at this point

Hard not to want to keep him on as a the bridge to the new staff and the existing roster/recruits, helping with game planning, and as your lead recruiter for high school talent.

If he can get DG, Brackins, and Christopherson to come here with nothing to sell in the McD years, yeah, this might be good.

 

[Dingus]

Henry is Fred's little project. I doubt a new coach would keep him on. TJ and Mann have experience and could get head coaching jobs at any time. A new coach is going to want some of his guys on the staff. If you were coming in the this situation what asst coaches on this staff bring you the most value?

Ok, I didn't think about him maybe not being kept on.

I doubt TJ and Mann can get HC gigs anytime they want though or they probably would.

RE who would a new coach keep on; totally honest question: What is Mann's role, exactly? He recruited Morris; Im assuming Percy and SDW; does he have a game role? Other recruiting?

 

[carvers4math]

So midday Hoiberg Watch report: move along, nothing to see.

 

[Luth4Cy]

Ok, I didn't think about him maybe not being kept on.

I doubt TJ and Mann can get HC gigs anytime they want though or they probably would.

RE who would a new coach keep on; totally honest question: What is Mann's role, exactly? He recruited Morris; Im assuming Percy and SDW; does he have a game role? Other recruiting?

There's a lot that goes into hiring assistants. I usually figure a head coach wants assistants who make up for his weaknesses. For example, if Hornacek were hired I figure he'd focus on getting or keeping assistants who can recruit, since he doesn't have experience in that area. If a defensive genius was hired, than a head coach would probably want somebody with better knowledge on the offensive side of the ball.

 

[acgclone]

It's a no-brainer for the new coach to retain TJ. He has ties to our entire team basically. He's a proven recruiter, and from the sounds of things is pretty good with the scouting/X's & O's stuff.

As for TJ, I'm assuming he's motivated to stay as well, and maybe worse case you have to bump his salary $50k per year.

I see very little chance that TJ isn't on staff in some capacity from HC to AHC

 

[PlanoClone]

1) To those aksing Fred to tell us what he's doing, he can't. The Bulls job isn't open yet. The fact that he hasn't come out and said he's happy where he's at, etc... should be very telling. He gone.
2) Somebody remind me why Otz left and why he came back? I highly doubt Fred would hire him back, have his family move half way across the country if Fred knew he was likely leaving. My assumption is Otz was brought back with a promise of something other than an assistant's job.

 

[CyStalker]

I don't think Henry will be an assistant coach for him in the NBA. I see him more of a behind the scenes scouting guy.

Not sure what CFH would do with Charlie, but he has stated that Charlie has a great offensive basketball mind. Not sure he will waste it scouting.

 

[fsanford]

Speaking with a Hornacek family member recently, was told its gonna take a lot to pull him back to the midwest and they did not think it would happen.

I am sure Pollard will try to sell him, but hopefully that will not be his only target.

 

[CyStalker]

Pollard will hire someone nobody is even discussing. If you think TJ or JH get the job you must not of paid any attention to JP's past coaching hires. It WILL be someone nobody is even discussing. Probably someone I've never heard much of either. Take it to the bank.

I would say that is true with exception of McDermott. That one was not really a surprise.

 

[NorthCyd]

1) To those aksing Fred to tell us what he's doing, he can't. The Bulls job isn't open yet. The fact that he hasn't come out and said he's happy where he's at, etc... should be very telling. He gone.
2) Somebody remind me why Otz left and why he came back? I highly doubt Fred would hire him back, have his family move half way across the country if Fred knew he was likely leaving. My assumption is Otz was brought back with a promise of something other than an assistant's job.

Just what we needed, another post saying something that's been said 1000 times all ready, right down to the "He gone".

 

[isufbcurt]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/basketb...ze-key-stopping-lebron-james-resides-building

 

[mkleve44]

Who has brought up anything with Larry Brown coming here? It would be a good hire but does he have any connection to ISU?

 

[kingcy]

1) To those aksing Fred to tell us what he's doing, he can't. The Bulls job isn't open yet. The fact that he hasn't come out and said he's happy where he's at, etc... should be very telling. He gone.
2) Somebody remind me why Otz left and why he came back? I highly doubt Fred would hire him back, have his family move half way across the country if Fred knew he was likely leaving. My assumption is Otz was brought back with a promise of something other than an assistant's job.

1. Fred has more options than just the Bulls. If he wants to coach in the NBA next year why not just step down as coach, so ISU and those in the program can move on.

2. See every story wrote about Otz coming back.

 

[cycloneworld]

Because (1) Hornacek would have to be offered (2) he would have to accept (3) he would have to want TJ and (4) TJ would have to want to stay and work for him. Could happen but you make it sound like it is a slam dunk.

Sure. But that process has to go done with ANY other coach (except for TJ most likely). It is also likely that JP will require the new coach to retain TJ.

Nothing is a slam dunk in this process.

 

[cycloneworld]

Speaking with a Hornacek family member recently, was told its gonna take a lot to pull him back to the midwest and they did not think it would happen.

I am sure Pollard will try to sell him, but hopefully that will not be his only target.

Would $10 million be enough?

I hope Pollard is exhausting ALL options and having a lot of discussions (or the search firm is) with a wide variety of candidates. I think a complete search is all Cyclone fans are asking for.