Pre-Memorial Day Hoiberg NBA Update

I think there are too many on the board who can't separate the feelings of being a fan to being a person.

As a fan I can say I feel he owes our program something and that him leaving definitely tarnishes my view of him as a Cyclone. As a fan I can't understand why he would do this.


Now if I take off my ISU blinders I see he's just an average Joe chasing a bigger paycheck like all of us do everyday.


I can shape my opinion to either mindset. I'm just a Cyclone Fan on a fan message board so I would expect it to only be of one mindset.

Except he's not chasing a paycheck, he's chasing the pinnacle of his profession.
 
This is false. Unless you believe Fred coached at ISU as a hobby...which, maybe he did...

Any coach who goes from college to the NBA owes that college a debt of gratitude. Which I'm sure Fred embraces.

Don't talk about my Freddy like that. While I don't understand Freddy and why he would leave us like this, I still will love him.
 
How long before local media are running with this but attributing it to their "sources"? For those who listen to Marty and Miller, I bet Marty tries to pass it off as his insider info.

Like Miller tried to do yesterday crediting the "Rally" as a "Post BY CycloneFanatic" and said "a grown man" made that thread/post. I mean, that could have been a 12 old girl from Nevada for all anyone knows. I thought that was pretty **** poor out of Miller.
 
This will be CF's reaction to Fred when he finally announces he's leaving...

[video=youtube;37SrQdIqKiU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37SrQdIqKiU[/video]
 
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I should clarify; I'm trying to answer the age old question "WHAT DOES FRED OWE US"???

Simply put he owes us the NBA offers he's been able to cultivate. Yes, he brought HM back but it wouldn't have been back in an empty arena. You think Fred would disagree with me? You think he could have gone this far this fast at UNI? Maybe he could...I just don't think so.

that I don't know...but I'm not in the camp that ISU is solely responsible for the interest.[/QUOTE]

Who said this?

Is this not what you were implying? Maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. If so, I stand corrected...
 
I wrote this upthread, but I'll repeat here. I think he would think that he's leaving the program in a good spot and in good hands. Maybe I'm overestimating him, but I doubt he'd be as sure of the drop off upon his departure as some of the people here are.

And I think that's where we sorta can agree but also disagree.

Is the program in a better spot than when he arrive? Abso fricking lutely.
Will we be dancing next year regardless of coach? Damn skippy

Here's where we differ.

I have zero faith we can get someone of his ilk that can maintain that trend 2016 and beyond.
I also firmly believe that without him coaching next year we'll underachieve.
I firmly believe Fred is that once in a 25 year hire (Orr being other) that has "it" and the stars align to the start of his tenure at a program that just sets you up for success.
Programs that that routinely hire new coaches every 5-8 years do not see continued success. We had a chance to finally have some long term stability and success and once again it's getting taken away.
 
Don't talk about my Freddy like that. While I don't understand Freddy and why he would leave us like this, I still will love him.

Maybe loving Fred is indeed pathetic. So be it. If loving Fred is wrong I don't want to be right.
 
Like Miller tried to do yesterday crediting the "Rally" as a "Post BY CycloneFanatic" and said "a grown man" made that thread/post. I mean, that could have been a 12 old girl from Nevada for all anyone knows. I thought that was pretty **** poor out of Miller.

Miller is just pissy because this one topic spanning however long it runs will drive 10x more traffic than HokNation will in its lifetime.
 
Except he's not chasing a paycheck, he's chasing the pinnacle of his profession.

I don't think NBA coaching is the pinnacle. Pay wise, yes. But not in respect. Except if you think you can surpass Phill or the Spurs coach. (who I can't even remember his name if that tells you anything.

Who are the pinnacles of coaching? Guys with multiple Final Four and NCAA Championship rings. Self, Ol Roy, Dean Smith, Boehiem, Izzo, Knight. Tubby, Calipari. Those my friend put many and nearly all NBA coaches to shame.
 
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Is this not what you were implying? Maybe I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. If so, I stand corrected...

I was agreeing with your point about Fred's existing NBA experience...ISU is part of the resume which NBA teams are attracted to. Fred is a really smart dude and I'm not saying he "used" ISU but he had a vision of how to go very far very fast and ISU was the vehicle.

Think about how different this conversation would be had Georges not broken is ankle in the tournament. I think Fred had calculated a Final Four run that season and a bounce to the NBA then.
 
I think Fred will use the inevitable NBA coaching gig as a step to a front office (read General Manager) position. That seems to be his ultimate goal in my mind. Having played, coached, and being successful (presuming the coaching goes decently well) at both, he will have everything needed to be a highly regarded and very much respected general manager. For many many years.
 
I don't think NBA coaching is the pinnacle. Pay wise, yes. But not in respect. Except if you think you can surpass Phill or the Spurs coach. (who I can't even remember his name if that tells you anything.

Who are the pinnacles of coaching? Guys with multiple Final Four and NCAA Championship rings. Self, Ol Roy, Dean Smith, Boehiem, Izzo, Knight. Tubby, Calipari. Those my friend put many and nearly all NBA coaches to shame.

But what you think doesn't matter. If Fred thinks its the pinnacle of his profession, why begrudge him the chance to chase it? Everyone who has reported anything on this has said it's not about money, yet you insist it is. Just because you disagree with the decision doesn't mean you get to assign motives ($$$) to it.
 
NBA is the pinnacle for players. It's not for coaches.

Go around and ask the average Joe these two questions and tell us the resutls;

1. Who was that guy who stood on the sideline wearing a snazzy suit while Lebron, Wade and Bosh won multiple NBA titles? (duh, ummm, deerrrr, dunno)

2. Who was that guy at (Duke, UNC, KU, Kentucky, Syracuse, Arizona, Wisc, Mich St.) who goes dancing nearly every year and who's teams is always a solid pick to make the FF in your office pool?
 
I think Fred will use the inevitable NBA coaching gig as a step to a front office (read General Manager) position. That seems to be his ultimate goal in my mind. Having played, coached, and being successful (presuming the coaching goes decently well) at both, he will have everything needed to be a highly regarded and very much respected general manager. For many many years.

This is one of the more incyteful posts I have seen regarding this whole mess. Don't know if he willl have the cash but I wouldn't rule out some level of ownership as well.
 
But what you think doesn't matter. If Fred thinks its the pinnacle of his profession, why begrudge him the chance to chase it? Everyone who has reported anything on this has said it's not about money, yet you insist it is. Just because you disagree with the decision doesn't mean you get to assign motives ($$$) to it.

To him, no, of course it doesn't matter.

But to me the fan of ISU it sure as hell does matter. It matters when other so called fans try to tell me to wish him well and root him on in the NBA when I know as a fan he just squarely kicked my program in nuts.
 
I don't think NBA coaching is the pinnacle. Pay wise, yes. But not in respect. Except if you think you can surpass Phill or the Spurs coach. (who I can't even remember his name if that tells you anything.

Who are the pinnacles of coaching? Guys with multiple Final Four and NCAA Championship rings. Self, Ol Roy, Dean Smith, Boehiem, Izzo, Knight. Tubby, Calipari. Those my friend put many and nearly all NBA coaches to shame.

Mr. Auerbach, Mr Jackson, Mr Riley and Mr. Popovich respectfully disagree