A current 1st rounder on roster?

[tazclone]

He committed under Rhoads. If we call Klein a Rhoads recruit than we should do the same for Reynolds.

I will never call Klein a Rhoads commit because he isn't and I think that people that do are wrong. He committed before Rhoads got here and never waivered. Rhoads didn't have to rerecruit him because he committed to iSu and not chizdick. As did Broomfield, Reeves, Lenz, Lichtenburg, etc. Rhoads recruited Knott, Martin, Mimms, Moore, Sims, Watson, Lattimer and Taufoou. Reynolds is a little grey as he was ready to commit to chizdick right at the time chizzy left.

Saying kids that signed when chizdick was the coach are Rhoads recruits is just wrong. Rhoads didn't see their film, he didn't identify their talent, he didn't make in home visits, he didn't offer them, he didn't host them on their recruiting visit, he didn't sell them on iSu. He didn't get them to commit over other offers. A lot of them were committed to the school itself and not the program and never waivered.

 

[tazclone]

The correct answer is Michael Warren.

So Michael Warren will have Heisman mentions? Because the only RBs that go in the first round are Heisman types. I don't even think 21013 and 2014 had a RB taken in the first round

 

[Luth4Cy]

I will never call Klein a Rhoads commit because he isn't and I think that people that do are wrong. He committed before Rhoads got here and never waivered. Rhoads didn't have to rerecruit him because he committed to iSu and not chizdick. As did Broomfield, Reeves, Lenz, Lichtenburg, etc. Rhoads recruited Knott, Martin, Mimms, Moore, Sims, Watson, Lattimer and Taufoou. Reynolds is a little grey as he was ready to commit to chizdick right at the time chizzy left.

Saying kids that signed when chizdick was the coach are Rhoads recruits is just wrong. Rhoads didn't see their film, he didn't identify their talent, he didn't make in home visits, he didn't offer them, he didn't host them on their recruiting visit, he didn't sell them on iSu. He didn't get them to commit over other offers. A lot of them were committed to the school itself and not the program and never waivered.

Some people call that first class Rhoads's, so that's where I was coming from.

 

[Tedcyclone]

We have zero first rounders on this roster. zero.

 

[TBT]

Unfortunately, us being successful has as much to do with exposure to our players as anything.

Outside of Kentucky (5-7) and Uconn (2-10), every other player picked in the first round came from a team with a .500 record or better.

In the pass-happy Big 12, Lazard needs to stand out to get recognized. IMO, his numbers are not going to reach first round recognition numbers unless something drastic changes.

Campos has potential, but he needs to keep developing (duh) and we need to be .500 or better for him to reach that round of 32. Our draft history doesn't work in his favor, though.

I like KCM's chances as much as anyone. A lot of NFL teams covet the cornerback/safety positions lately and KCM winning defensive freshman of the year has him on the right path.

I'm not going to discount anyone's chances because they are all still young, and a turnaround on this team will make some scouts take more notice. If I had money to put down on who stood the best chance, though, I'd give KCM the nod.

I don't mean to throw salt on the wound, but Wake Forest had a cornerback taken in the 1st round this year.

Kevin Johnson - On April 30, 2015, Johnson was selected by the Houston Texans with the 16th pick in the 2015 NFL draft

Wake Forest went 3-9 last year.

 

[Aclone]

So Michael Warren will have Heisman mentions? Because the only RBs that go in the first round are Heisman types. I don't even think 21013 and 2014 had a RB taken in the first round

If Waren has the kind of talent he appears to--and has a line to run behind--he may well get Heisman mention. But that's a little fr into the crystal ball, isn't it?

 

[tazclone]

Some people call that first class Rhoads's, so that's where I was coming from.

Just stating where I stand on that issue. The class can and should be split into chizzy and Rhoads recruits. Klein even stated in an interview he never waivered.

 

[tazclone]

If Waren has the kind of talent he appears to--and has a line to run behind--he may well get Heisman mention. But that's a little fr into the crystal ball, isn't it?

Well if Warren is Heismanesque than I surely haven't heard it from the coaches and it is amazing he hasn't locked up the starting position. Not doubting he can't be but...

 

[Aclone]

Well if Warren is Heismanesque than I surely haven't heard it from the coaches and it is amazing he hasn't locked up the starting position. Not doubting he can't be but...

By strange coincidence, he's a redshirt frosh who hasn't played a down, and any Heisman talk (aside from yours) would be years away....

 

[tazclone]

By strange coincidence, he's a redshirt frosh who hasn't played a down, and any Heisman talk (aside from yours) would be years away....

Don't get me wrong, I would take another Troy Davis (third round draft pick BTW) in a heartbeat. But we heard about Troy his freshman year. It would be awesome if Warren is a heisman candidate. the reason I say Heisman candidate is RBs aren't taken in the first round and the ones that are, are heisman type RBs. The only way a RB from iSu gets taken in the first round is if they are a Heisman candidate. The NFL just doesn't value RBs in the draft.

So when people say Warren is a first round draft pick either A) he is heisman quality or B)they don't understand the NFL draft.

 

[inCyteful]

Don't get me wrong, I would take another Troy Davis (third round draft pick BTW) in a heartbeat. But we heard about Troy his freshman year. It would be awesome if Warren is a heisman candidate. the reason I say Heisman candidate is RBs aren't taken in the first round and the ones that are, are heisman type RBs. The only way a RB from iSu gets taken in the first round is if they are a Heisman candidate. The NFL just doesn't value RBs in the draft.

So when people say Warren is a first round draft pick either A) he is heisman quality or B)they don't understand the NFL draft.

Or C) They have never seen Cyclone Football

 

[tazclone]

If you don't think KO was physically dominant in college, you lose all credibility. He mauled people. If you want an example, go watch the famous Woody touchdown against OSU. He takes out about 4 defenders by himself.

Exactly. There is a reason Woody ran to the left side everytime on that last drive

 

[Rhoadhoused]

I understand that. He was a four star recruit just like Lazard. He has a faster forty time than Lazard. He has been in Mangino's offense as long as Lazard. He has all the physical tools that Lazard has and is faster and has been more productive in the same offense.

So he has everything Lazard has but is two years older....If Lazard has the potential because of his physical abilities then so does Montgomery. Montgomery has two seasons to hone his skills, Lazard has three.

Uhhhh they have essentially identical stats from last year. And Lazard is a better teammate/intangibles guy (not that DV is terrible, but he's had small issues).

Lazard being 19 vs Montgomery being 21 is a huge difference to scouts in terms of their projections. Lazard has two more years to physically mature to be where Montgomery is right now.

That's why he's more likely and his season last year was more impressive.

 

[Cy$]

Maybe we should forget about winning football games and just focus all our efforts on getting 1 player drafted in the first round. Pick the best guy and train him Rocky 4 style.

[video=youtube;q57qB6Kwroo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57qB6Kwroo[/video]

 

[3TrueFans]

[video=youtube;q57qB6Kwroo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q57qB6Kwroo[/video]

Love a good montage.

 

[tazclone]

Uhhhh they have essentially identical stats from last year. And Lazard is a better teammate/intangibles guy (not that DV is terrible, but he's had small issues).

Lazard being 19 vs Montgomery being 21 is a huge difference to scouts in terms of their projections. Lazard has two more years to physically mature to be where Montgomery is right now.

That's why he's more likely and his season last year was more impressive.

Same stats and Montgomery did not play against NDSU and hardly saw the field against KSU and iowa. So he produced the same catches and the same yards in three fewer games.In those three games, Lazard had nine catches for 143 yards. He saw all first/second team snaps through fall camp and the first three weeks of the season. Had the same amount of time in the new offense as Montgomery.

Scouts also care about 40 times. 4.65 is not going to make scouts pee their pants in excitement. Yes, Lazard has one more year to develop than Montgomery. I get that but his lack of speed is a hinderance. Someone made the Todd Bythe comparison which was good. Just not quite explosive enough.

My overall point is Montgomery and Lazard are the same caliber of WR. They have the same ability, the same body. Montgomery is better right now because he uses his body better which Lazard will learn. Montgomery runs better routes which Lazard will learn. In the end, they will be the same except Montgomery is slightly faster.

So when you look at it from a NFL prospect aspect, if people are going to claim Lazard will go first round....then so does Montgomery. I don't think either do and I think because of his faster 40 time Montgomery has more higher round potential. People love Lazard and overlook Montgomery because he is from Iowa. Just like the love of Knott over Klein.

 

[WhatchaGonnaDo]

Steele Jantz for Heisman

 

[Rhoadhoused]

Same stats and Montgomery did not play against NDSU and hardly saw the field against KSU and iowa. So he produced the same catches and the same yards in three fewer games.In those three games, Lazard had nine catches for 143 yards. He saw all first/second team snaps through fall camp and the first three weeks of the season. Had the same amount of time in the new offense as Montgomery.


Why did DV miss that first game? Suspended. Not an issue with Lazard.

Scouts also care about 40 times. 4.65 is not going to make scouts pee their pants in excitement. Yes, Lazard has one more year to develop than Montgomery. I get that but his lack of speed is a hinderance. Someone made the Todd Bythe comparison which was good. Just not quite explosive enough.

Are we comparing high school 40 times? Give Lazard two years and he will improve his speed.

My overall point is Montgomery and Lazard are the same caliber of WR. They have the same ability, the same body. Montgomery is better right now because he uses his body better which Lazard will learn. Montgomery runs better routes which Lazard will learn. In the end, they will be the same except Montgomery is slightly faster.

So when you look at it from a NFL prospect aspect, if people are going to claim Lazard will go first round....then so does Montgomery. I don't think either do and I think because of his faster 40 time Montgomery has more higher round potential. People love Lazard and overlook Montgomery because he is from Iowa. Just like the love of Knott over Klein.

Dvario's first year in college here was his statline at a small school against crap competition:

6 receptions, 65 yards

Lazard against one of the toughest schedules in the country:

45 receptions, 593 yards, 3 TDs


How is it so hard to understand that NFL scouts are going to factor in age and be counting years since high school, not years left of eligibility?

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

As far as first round goes Campos and Burton probably have the best shot. O lineman have been the popular choice first round through the last few years. That being said neither are even close right now.

Your skills players better be amazing if you want them to land in the first round. Bundrage, Lazard, Warren, maybe Montgomery and maybe Lanning have a shot at making it to the league.

Defensively Cotton Moya and Nigel will probably get a look.

 

[tazclone]

Sorry but his speed will not increase. Not anymore than Montgomerys in the same time.How hard is it to understand that speed matters to NFL scouts? Especially at the WR position. They are the exact same player.
BTW- Do you think the NFL cares if Lazard was suspended? I mean Winston just went #1 and Irving signed with the chiefs.
This post is about first round potential. You show me a WR that runs a 4.65 40 that has gone in the first round and I will admit Lazard has first round potential. Until then, I stand with what I have stated.