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A current 1st rounder on roster?

istater7 said:
Except for the one the Packers drafted. And the one that went #33 overall. (Not saying he will, just saying).
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Yeah I knew about Collins but missed the GB one. Still, it's not a highly valued position and he'd have to be essentially the best safety in the country.
 
Unfortunately, us being successful has as much to do with exposure to our players as anything.

Outside of Kentucky (5-7) and Uconn (2-10), every other player picked in the first round came from a team with a .500 record or better.

In the pass-happy Big 12, Lazard needs to stand out to get recognized. IMO, his numbers are not going to reach first round recognition numbers unless something drastic changes.

Campos has potential, but he needs to keep developing (duh) and we need to be .500 or better for him to reach that round of 32. Our draft history doesn't work in his favor, though.

I like KCM's chances as much as anyone. A lot of NFL teams covet the cornerback/safety positions lately and KCM winning defensive freshman of the year has him on the right path.

I'm not going to discount anyone's chances because they are all still young, and a turnaround on this team will make some scouts take more notice. If I had money to put down on who stood the best chance, though, I'd give KCM the nod.
 
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Rhoadhoused said:
Lazard needs to prove he's got the speed to go deep and he has to have some legit production in the next two years. He's got great height and size and great ability to grab jump balls, but he's got to be fast to go in the 1st.

Moya has no chance. No safeties were even taken in the 1st this year.

Campos it's way too early to pretend anyone knows he's good enough or even close. He's tall enough but not nearly strong enough right now. And I'd assume his technique will need to be almost flawless being a guy that's not going to overpower you.
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AL and JC have a longs ways to go to prove they can even be drafted. I'm not sure there is one single sure fire guy on the team who will get drafted, let alone in the first round. These 2 would be 2 of the better candidates but both are too young and inexperienced to make assumptions. You could argue these 2 wouldn't have played a ton on any other team in our league and both only started to see serious time after injuries to upperclassman.
 
I'm not even sure if there's anyone who'd contribute on an NFL roster, particularly in the specialists.

Although I think Lazard may have the foundation and fundamentals to be play a bit.

It may be hard to tell with the staff too; I know KO got AA accolades, but I don't remember him being some sort of dominant force even his senior year, and it felt like there were fundamentals missing (wasn't he off sides a lot?). Next thing you know he's contributing for a NFL-Champion Ravens team known for their physicality.
 
If Bundrage has a breakout yr like Kevin white, he could possibly. Highly unlikely but he's got speed. Never know with Montgomery either. He has the frame, just depends on how he performed from now on.
 
DBQR4CY said:
Over the weekend ISU was noted as having the longest drought of any program without a 1st round pick. Looking at the current roster does anyone see a player that can break this streak? I can see a handful of young guys that might have the potential to do so. On offense I could see Allen Lazard (the best potential out anyone that I name) and Jake Campos. Campos has a chance to be the next KO for ISU. On the defensive side of the ball I could see Nigel Tribune (the least likely of the players I'll name) and Kamari Cotton-Moya. Tribune still has two years in the program left which is the shortest out of the players I named. The other three I think have real potential and time to develop. Lazard has the size, athletic ability, and hands to really get noticed. I really like Campos too. He has the size and plays the all too important LT position and has already proven to be able to handle guys with a few more years of experience than him (KSU DE). KCM is locked into his position until his four years are done.

Any thoughts? Please try to keep it positive, no need to crap all over guys who more talented than any of us that post on CF.
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If Lazard does then so does Montgomery. Amazing to me that people ignore that he was the better WR last year. More YPC and out produce Lazard once he saw the field regularly.

Campos- Not a lot of 6'8" tackles in the NFL that are under 300#'s. Heck not a lot of NFL OL under 300#s. Campos is fighting the odds even making the NFL. out of 180 OTs, only 19(10.6%) are 6'8" or taller. Of those 19 only 6 are under 320 pounds. There is one 6'8"+ Ot in the NFL that is under 300#s and he was a former basketball player that never played football in college. Of the 19 only 8 are in the two deep of any team and(two for New England) and only two are LTs. Only a couple taken in the first round

Simply stated....The NFL doesn't see a lot of value for 6'8"+ OTs unless they are 320#s or more. even then they rarely take that kind of player in the first round

Campos is no where near as good as KO and KO was a 5th round pick. It is laughable to compare the two. Campos needs to make A LOT of improvement to get drafted. A LOT! He is young and has time but he simply does not handle the bull rush well and run blocking is okay but not great. He has to put on weight which he hasn't done in his first two years.. To put things in perspective.....Gannon was honarble mention Big 12 this year and Campos was not. Gannon isn't going to get a serious look in the NFL.
 
DBQR4CY said:
He was still a quality DE and it was Campos first start. He did a great job that game.
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NFL scouts don't look at one game. Keep in mind, the KSU defense had very little film on Campos. Once teams found out Campos' weaknesses they attacked it.
 
madguy30 said:
I'm not even sure if there's anyone who'd contribute on an NFL roster, particularly in the specialists.

Although I think Lazard may have the foundation and fundamentals to be play a bit.

It may be hard to tell with the staff too; I know KO got AA accolades, but I don't remember him being some sort of dominant force even his senior year, and it felt like there were fundamentals missing (wasn't he off sides a lot?). Next thing you know he's contributing for a NFL-Champion Ravens team known for their physicality.
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KO was playing out of position. That is why he was 2nd round. The NFL knew he was an OG.
 
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madguy30 said:
I'm not even sure if there's anyone who'd contribute on an NFL roster, particularly in the specialists.

Although I think Lazard may have the foundation and fundamentals to be play a bit.

It may be hard to tell with the staff too; I know KO got AA accolades, but I don't remember him being some sort of dominant force even his senior year, and it felt like there were fundamentals missing (wasn't he off sides a lot?). Next thing you know he's contributing for a NFL-Champion Ravens team known for their physicality.
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If you don't think KO was physically dominant in college, you lose all credibility. He mauled people. If you want an example, go watch the famous Woody touchdown against OSU. He takes out about 4 defenders by himself.
 
tazclone said:
If Lazard does then so does Montgomery. Amazing to me that people ignore that he was the better WR last year. More YPC and out produce Lazard once he saw the field regularly.

Campos- Not a lot of 6'8" tackles in the NFL that are under 300#'s. Heck not a lot of NFL OL under 300#s. Campos is fighting the odds even making the NFL. out of 180 OTs, only 19(10.6%) are 6'8" or taller. Of those 19 only 6 are under 320 pounds. There is one 6'8"+ Ot in the NFL that is under 300#s and he was a former basketball player that never played football in college. Of the 19 only 8 are in the two deep of any team and(two for New England) and only two are LTs. Only a couple taken in the first round

Simply stated....The NFL doesn't see a lot of value for 6'8"+ OTs unless they are 320#s or more. even then they rarely take that kind of player in the first round

Campos is no where near as good as KO and KO was a 5th round pick. It is laughable to compare the two. Campos needs to make A LOT of improvement to get drafted. A LOT! He is young and has time but he simply does not handle the bull rush well and run blocking is okay but not great. He has to put on weight which he hasn't done in his first two years.. To put things in perspective.....Gannon was honarble mention Big 12 this year and Campos was not. Gannon isn't going to get a serious look in the NFL.
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Montgomery is two years older.
 
Rhoadhoused said:
Lazard needs to prove he's got the speed to go deep and he has to have some legit production in the next two years. He's got great height and size and great ability to grab jump balls, but he's got to be fast to go in the 1st.

Moya has no chance. No safeties were even taken in the 1st this year.

Campos it's way too early to pretend anyone knows he's good enough or even close. He's tall enough but not nearly strong enough right now. And I'd assume his technique will need to be almost flawless being a guy that's not going to overpower you.
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  1. Yep- big WRs need to be in the $.5 forty time to go first round. I think Bryant wsa one of the slower ones at 4.52. i think Lazard runs a 4.65
  2. Agree on Moya
  3. I would say Campos' height actually restricts him. Especially with his weight. Only the colts and Patriots like taller lankier OTs. Like you said...he has to get stronger and that means adding 20-30pounds of muscle
 
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Rhoadhoused said:
Montgomery is two years older.
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I understand that. He was a four star recruit just like Lazard. He has a faster forty time than Lazard. He has been in Mangino's offense as long as Lazard. He has all the physical tools that Lazard has and is faster and has been more productive in the same offense.

So he has everything Lazard has but is two years older....If Lazard has the potential because of his physical abilities then so does Montgomery. Montgomery has two seasons to hone his skills, Lazard has three.
 
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Montgomery may have a faster 40 time but I'm pretty sure Lazard is faster in pads. Montgomery looked sluggish last year, while Lazard wasnt confident enough to play full speed yet. This year is crucial for Allen.
 
Clonefan94 said:
Draft status is awesome and all, but I'd be happy with us winning a couple of Big 12 games this year, then worry about who gets drafted after that.

We are losing to FCS teams on a regular basis, we can't win a game in our own conference. Even if we have a kid or two with draft potential on the team, we don't have a supporting cast good enough to let them showcase some of their talents.
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They kind of go hand in hand. If you have the talent to win more games, you will have more NFL talent. Please show me a Big 12 team that didn't have anyone drafted that won consistently.
 
No. Maybe Lazard, and that's if we get a fan-freaking-tastic QB for his Jr and Sr year.

But there's a lot of good WR's playing on Top 10 teams. That's hard to beat.
 
boone7247 said:
At this point lets just get multiple guys drafted, in a single draft, then get multiple guys drafted in back to back drafts, then we can start to worry about first rounders. Would rather have decent talent at a lot of positions than one great talent at this point. As it stands now no player on ISU roster is a top 5 guy at their position and if they are close to that they aren't a top 32 player in their class. We have a long way to go before we worry about getting someone drafted in the first round.
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In a post game presser after a close loss to KSU a few years ago, Rhoads made a statement about the talent differential between KSU and ISU by alluding to our lack of guys in the NFL. That was early in his tenure. At that point, it seemed like he really wanted to do something about it.
 
There probably isn't, but the guys with the best shots are Lazard or maybe one of the young defensive backs, IMO.
 
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