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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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longtimeclone said:
Even if the money would be better in the Big 10, the geography for Texas would be pretty bad. I think fan support would take a slight bit because it would be harder for them to get to games and could you really imagine Texas playing 2 November aways games anywhere in Big 10 country?
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Big 12 is projected to get 30m+ per team with sugar bowl deal and playoffs plus 15m they get from the longhorn network. 45million a year if they went big 10 un all sports they would lose at least 5 million in additional travel. So he thinks texas would also settle the GOR for 15 mil a year. So the big 10 is going to pay texas and each of there 14/16/17 members more than 65 million to make that move worthwhile? No way no how.... that would require a media rights deal of well above 1 billion annually.... no way. That is crazy talk and this guy is moron. Whynis this being discussed. He has no solid argument here Which he even acknowledges ironically.
 
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jboffer said:
To those who say "Has the Dude been right about anything?"

Admittedly, you might have followed him more closely than I.

However, I like I said before, he was the one talking about the potential deal between the Big 12 and ND. ND joins in all sports but football, with 5 football games against Big 12 opponents.

Did it happen? No. But it's the exact deal they took with the ACC. Fill in the dots, and it means they had their choice of which conference to take the deal with and the conversations with the Big 12 were likely real. The Dude had said before Texas wanted ND before anyone else.

Yeah, I'll buy that as possible. I admit I require a low burden of proof when theorizing athletic conference conspiracies on a message board.

And sure, the Dude may be a giant liar. But if there's one thing I've learned from CF, nobody here has any idea what they're talking about either. Go ahead and say Texas has no reason to leave. You're the one being confident in something you don't actually know. I'm not confident in anything except that Texas will always be Texas--which leaves reason for suspicion.
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Uh that is because I that's the deal they had just worked out with the big east. Before they were raided and dodds talked about the potential ND deal publicly not like the ND thing was secret.
 
snowcraig2.0 said:
Big 12 schools are also projected to be in that same range.

No one here is saying Texas isn't out to do what's best for Texas, we are just saying right now it's clear they want to be in the Big 12. If they wanted to be in the Big 10, they would be in the Big 10. Why else would they have signed a grant of rights? That would be like marrying a woman when you know you might divorce her in 6 months, but not signing a pre-nup.
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For texas that is the same range plus 15 million....
 
Boomer said:
When D4 comes around and it will there wont be a bad landing spot. There is some non Dude of WVU talk out there from Ohio State insiders, what ever D4 reshapes *** the members of the currently leagues will be fine financially

I dont expect any moves to be made until D4 is settled and the playoffs are a few years old. At that point I could easily see the Big12 disbanding but without chaos. If league membership votes to disband there is no GOR issue The other superleagues will absorb Big12 membership based on geography. Its going to be like an exclusive country club, membership will be closed to outsiders and the group will take care of its own and everyone will be filthy rich.
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I don't think this is crazy at all.

I'd still like to see ISU with as many Big 8 schools as possible.
 
longtimeclone said:
Even if the money would be better in the Big 10, the geography for Texas would be pretty bad. I think fan support would take a slight bit because it would be harder for them to get to games and could you really imagine Texas playing 2 November aways games anywhere in Big 10 country?
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Geography means nothing anymore (see: West Virginia, Big 12; Texas schools in Big East now AAC)
 
No way would Cincinnati or UConn be left out of D4 if that happened. This whole "64" number is rediculous. No way can this D4 club be limited to a certain number, would never hold up in court. Like pulling the rug out from someone. ISU is in a great position now that they are making the money they are, the only downfall for teams like Cincinnati or UConn is they have never reached tv revenues like Iowa State so they have nothing to really go after and cant really point a finger and say we were excluded and here is our damages.
 
Boomer said:
When D4 comes around and it will there wont be a bad landing spot. There is some non Dude of WVU talk out there from Ohio State insiders, what ever D4 reshapes *** the members of the currently leagues will be fine financially

I dont expect any moves to be made until D4 is settled and the playoffs are a few years old. At that point I could easily see the Big12 disbanding but without chaos. If league membership votes to disband there is no GOR issue The other superleagues will absorb Big12 membership based on geography. Its going to be like an exclusive country club, membership will be closed to outsiders and the group will take care of its own and everyone will be filthy rich.
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While that would hardly be a worst case scenario, I'd be nervous of any situation that put us in a league that didn't have multiple Texas schools for recruiting purposes.
 
CarrollCyclone said:
Geography means nothing anymore (see: West Virginia, Big 12; Texas schools in Big East now AAC)
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WVU was in a different situation because they didn't believe the Big East was stable and didn't want to get left behind in realignment. WVU was right that the former big east did collapse, but they might have been the reason it did by leaving first. Texas is a completely different situation, because they can basically choose which conference they want to be in and I don't believe WVU had the same options.

In the AAC, there are 7 schools (SMU, Houston, Tulsa, Memphis, Tulance, USF, and UCF) which I would consider in the South. If Texas would join the Big 10, the closest opponent would be Nebraska. Even if geography would be closer, I still think the cold weather would be a much bigger factor. When Texas starts consistently losing to teams in November due to the cold, I think it will matter to them.
 
IAStubborn said:
Big 12 is projected to get 30m+ per team with sugar bowl deal and playoffs plus 15m they get from the longhorn network. 45million a year if they went big 10 un all sports they would lose at least 5 million in additional travel. So he thinks texas would also settle the GOR for 15 mil a year. So the big 10 is going to pay texas and each of there 14/16/17 members more than 65 million to make that move worthwhile? No way no how.... that would require a media rights deal of well above 1 billion annually.... no way. That is crazy talk and this guy is moron. Whynis this being discussed. He has no solid argument here Which he even acknowledges ironically.
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The Big Ten is projected to distribute $33.3 million per school at the end of their current contract in 2015-16. I've seen projections that have the B1G in the neighborhood of $45 to $50 million per school in the next contract.....and possibly more if they bring another school or two on board.
 
CarrollCyclone said:
The Big Ten is projected to distribute $33.3 million per school at the end of their current contract in 2015-16. I've seen projections that have the B1G in the neighborhood of $45 to $50 million per school in the next contract.....and possibly more if they bring another school or two on board.
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you've heard of the housing bubble? the market bubble? we are now in the sports bubble, and it will pop sooner rather than latter. buyers will back away from the price at some point in time. and i believe it won't be long - we'll be upside down:v_SPIN:.
 
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Redman97 said:
Some interesting stuff about the Big 12 GOR.

Summertime Conference Realignment Walking Dead: A Look at the Big 12 Grant of Rights Agreement | FRANK THE TANK'S SLANT
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What’s most instructive about the GOR contract is what it doesn’t say. There isn’t a termination provision. There isn’t a liquidated damages clause. There isn’t any mechanism to calculate potential damages for a member leaving early. In fact, there isn’t any procedure at all about what would occur in the event that a member leaves the conference other than a couple of flat statements that the GOR is in effect for such member until 2025 no matter what. The Grant of Rights agreement is intentionally ambiguous.
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This is Deloss "I Love ND" Dodd's fault.
 
Judoka said:
Worth glancing at from that link is the full text of the GOR

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8jb5kvZz0PcUzJpdV9YaVZHaFE/edit
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The first para is hilarious; the B12 is a group of corporations, institutions, constitutional entity, some with higher learning, some with no mention of higher learning, and a board of governors. So why did we not rate higher learning label?

The rights only mention ESPN/ABC and Fox as of Jul 12. What happens if a team goes to NBC or CBS?

Looks like there may be loopholes. Are there loopholes on purpose?
 
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surly said:
you've heard of the housing bubble? the market bubble? we are now in the sports bubble, and it will pop sooner rather than latter. buyers will back away from the price at some point in time. and i believe it won't be long - we'll be upside down:v_SPIN:.
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Disney is now forcing ESPN to dump assets (e.g. radio stations) and lay off employees. They likely won't be able to engage in a bidding war with Fox in the upcoming negotiations for the B10's Tier 1 and 2 rights. As a result, the B10 will not get as much from those negotiations are previously expected assuming Comcast/NBC and Turner do not get actively involved like they have in the past.
 
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