***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***
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Nope, Louisville will be the first commuter school to be a member of one of the 5 power conferences (ACC, B10, B12, SEC and P12).
If that's the case, then I'd say the ACC no longer qualifies as a "power" conference.
A name that ignorant people give to universities that have a city in their name (L'ville, Cincy, Pitt), or have a directional name but with huge enrollments (UCF, USF).
The implication is that a large portion of people that attend that university commute to campus for class, then go home each night and do not attend athletic events at the same rate that other college-town university students would. The problem with this is that many of these universities on campus student population often exceed the total student population of schools like ISU, making the argument that the school is a "commuter school" a mute point.
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Does it really matter if a school is a commuter school? Back in the day maybe. But today the big money is all around TV dollars. And TV dollars for the Big 12 revolve around the quality of the product on the field/court more than population or alumni base. If Louisville is going to final fours and winning BCS bowl games, people will want to watch, and that is valuable for a TV contract.
Only ignorant people would label Pitt as a commuter school. They are AAU even though they may have a higher % of off-campus students due to their urban location.
You description of a commuter school is accurate. The high % of off-campus students do disengage them for the most part from on-campus activities such as athletic events resulting in lower attendence and less TV viewership. Precisely the reason why Louisville will be the only commuter school in one of the power conferences and the likes of Houston, UCF, USF and Cincy will likely remain on the outside looking in.
Your "problem" is irrelevant. Even the on-campus student population is also generally disengaged as well and it's "moot", not mute.
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Sure it does. Louisville is the sole exception and why they will be the only commuter school in a power conference. In addition to their on-field success, Louisville is also an exception due to not being in a pro market. Despite all that, WVU and TCU were both more valuable to the networks and the B12 presidents.
Not at all! And I think that we're missing a great shot at brining University of Phoenix into the conference before before somebody else gets them!
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For commuter schools... Look up the MAC. Which is what we would've landed in if this conference went down.
isnt USC a directional school? How bout UCLA as a urban based college with the city in the name. And Pitt is in the ACC too now along with Boston College. Think we need better criteria for commuter school. Basically the commuter schools with good academics and research don't count so the previous criteria plus Top 100 and or AAU members excluded.
And when the Big 12 added WVU, it was quite a bit more successful than Louisville. Louisville had one good season after this all went down.
Because it is true. The AAC is on the same level of the MAC btw. We would've ended up somewhere and it wouldn't have been pretty
100% would NEVER have been in the MAC. It isn't even on the table for discussion.
Also, in your scenario, the Big 12 would have imploded, which means the Big East likely lives (not the AAC). We would have been in the Big East or the Mountain West. Those were the only two choices.
For purposes of this discussion: Commuter School = Urban university where a significant % (or majority) of students reside off-campus, they are not AAU, and they aren't ranked in the Top 100 according to US News and World Report rankings.
Louisville falls into this category. Cincinnati is ranked 139 according to USN&WR and is the highest ranked commuter school from what I could tell.
USC, UCLA and Pitt are all AAU schools. Boston College is ranked in the Top 25.
There is a legit reason why Louisville is the first commuter school in a Top 5 FB conference.
Would we want to be in that cluster **** of a Big East though? Or the Mountain West? Those travel costs would've been huge. I honestly think we would've stayed local to the midwest
There is 0% (as in NO) truth in any rumor that ISU would have ended up in the MAC. It is stupid statements made by jealous Hawk fans. For anyone to believe it is ridiculous. And as isuno1fan said, the there would have been no AAC if the Big 12 would have imploded because the Big East would have not.
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