***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

[Judoka]

I think this is where the ADs and conference comissioners see it going. We are moving to a minor league system and away from a collegiate system. JMHO.

At which point what used to be college football becomes about exactly as successful as every other minor league football system ever tried (which is to say not at all). At some point this is going to end with a complete devaluation by the fans of the worth of "college" football. and collapse on itself.

I'm a fan of the Iowa State Cyclones. Not a minor league NFL team that happens to be located in Ames, IA. If college athletics break off from colleges they are done.

 

[HFCS]

Don't know if anybody read the article link posted here the other day about Husker recruiting, but basically it said that (for several reasons) there aren't enough quality athletes in the traditional Big Ten foot print for the Big Ten schools outside of the traditional powerhouse schools to be successful. The powerhouses get the best athletes out of the Big Ten footprint, the others get average athletes, and even the powerhouses aren't getting enough high quality athletes to beat the best "southern conference" schools. That article, which was written from an NU perspective, basically said that with the Texas pipeline closing down, NU is having difficulty getting the calibre of athletes it needs out of the existing Big Ten footprint. Certainly NU isn't the only Big Ten school with that problem.

If Delaney is indeed going after UNC and some other ACC schools like GT, it makes perfect sense. I don't think this latest push by the Big Ten into the ACC is strictly for TV money. It's also about getting the Big Ten recruiting footprint into that pool of southern athletes. In fact, the latter may be the driver.

I wonder if NU is sorry that it left for the Big Ten...I would love to be a fly on the wall in the NU AD now that Osborne is gone. I also wonder if the other Big Ten members are sorry they added NU. NU couldn't maintain its Texas recruiting pipeline as well as expected, and is now another drain on the Big Ten recruiting footprint, and also takes up a spot that could be offered to a southern school in this rumored incursion into the ACC.

With Meyer, Ohio State is set to be a top top 5 program in every way, right with the SEC. The rest of the Big Ten, maybe even Michigan is not going to be well served by this strategy of adding bad football games. Meanwhile look at the week after week matchups in the Big 12, SEC and Pac 12, it's good games everywhere.

They already have a cash advantage. It hasn't closed the gap, in fact they've been losing ground. Adding a football school in poor recruiting territory like Nebraska is one thing. Adding historically bad to average football programs is something else. Neb's brass cannot be thrilled about playing bad teams on the east coast. The Big Ten was always into New Jersey/New York region anyway recruiting, they didn't need Rutgers for that aspect. There's not a lot of D1 football in that region per capita population, the Big Ten was always in there for top recruits without watering down its football product.

 

[Wesley]

Big East Conference, ESPN finalizing 7-year, $130 million media deal - ESPN

ESPN's deal with the Big East would include seven years for men's basketball (2013-20) and six years for football (2014-20). The deal would break down to $10 million for the 2013-14 basketball season and $20 million starting in 2014-15 for football and men's basketball, sources said.

That is less than a BCS Bowl.

 

[RustShack]

I read somewhere a day or two ago that the B1G has extended an offer to UNC and is prepared to offer Duke. Sounds like to ee they are trying to become the SEC of Basketball.

 

[cykadelic2]

Big East Conference, ESPN finalizing 7-year, $130 million media deal - ESPN

That is less than a BCS Bowl.

I am thinking ESPN wanted the Catholic 7 contract moreso than the Big East contract but weren't willing to match Fox on that deal. As a result, they settled on matching NBCSN's bid for the Big East contract. You likely will see the majority of future BE content on ESPNU and ESPN3 especially after they likely lose UConn and Cincy to the ACC or elsewhere.

 

[cykadelic2]

I think this is where the ADs and conference comissioners see it going. We are moving to a minor league system and away from a collegiate system. JMHO.

We will likely see the top 60 to 70 BCS schools and conferences form a new division where the member schools can afford to pay full cost of attendence to all of their student-athletes. I doubt they break completely away from the NCAA so as to maintain access to the NCAA MBB tournament.

I seriously doubt you will ever see a system where there is a employer-employee relationship between colleges and student-athletes.

 

[State43]

If the B10 ends up getting UNC & Virginia, I would love to see the B12 get FSU and either VTech or Clemson. If we go beyond 2 to 14, grabbing Miami would be nice too. 16, GTech & NC State, 18 - Pitt & Syracuse or Louie.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Big East Conference, ESPN finalizing 7-year, $130 million media deal - ESPN

That is less than a BCS Bowl.

Sucks to be poor!

 

[huntt26]

I remember when many people here wanted to be in the Big East lol

 

[cyman05]

If the B10 ends up getting UNC & Virginia, I would love to see the B12 get FSU and either VTech or Clemson. If we go beyond 2 to 14, grabbing Miami would be nice too. 16, GTech & NC State, 18 - Pitt & Syracuse or Louie.

I think any of the following would be good adds
-FSU
-Clemson
-Miami
-Ga Tech
-NC State
-Va Tech
-Louisville
-Syracuse

Don't know if Duke, Boston College, Wake Forest, UConn, Cincinnati, or S Florida would be worth it.

That said, who knows if the ACC really is in danger or not and how many of those teams would be available for the Big 12. You'd think if the ACC does lose some teams and the B12 offered to let 4-6 come over together that they'd do it.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

I truly believe that the Big 10 is going to 20 teams.

Based off that, I feel that a merger with the PAC is the Big 12's best option. That probably leaves WVU, TCU, and Baylor out in the cold, but better them than us.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

I truly believe that the Big 10 is going to 20 teams.

Based off that, I feel that a merger with the PAC is the Big 12's best option. That probably leaves WVU, TCU, and Baylor out in the cold, but better them than us.

So, 19 teams?

 

[aeroclone]

I remember when many people here wanted to be in the Big East lol

Apples and oranges to this deal. That was before the BE was raided for teams, and at a time where it looked the B12 was dead and our other options were MWC or the MAC. At the time, it made sense.

 

[aeroclone]

I truly believe that the Big 10 is going to 20 teams.

Based off that, I feel that a merger with the PAC is the Big 12's best option. That probably leaves WVU, TCU, and Baylor out in the cold, but better them than us.

We wouldn't be throwing anyone out in a merger. Also, if you take off the cardinal glasses, a lot of other schools in both leagues would have ISU on that list as well. Not a good option.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

Apples and oranges to this deal. That was before the BE was raided for teams, and at a time where it looked the B12 was dead and our other options were MWC or the MAC. At the time, it made sense.

The Big Least has been raided almost nonstop since 2005.

 

[DistrictCyclone]

We wouldn't be throwing anyone out in a merger. Also, if you take off the cardinal glasses, a lot of other schools in both leagues would have ISU on that list as well. Not a good option.

I imagine Baylor and TCU look more expendable than ISU when you've got UT in your stable.

 

[ISU42]

The Big Least has been raided almost nonstop since 2005.

Many probably didn't expect the ACC and BIG to go to 14 or more teams at that time....at least I didn't anyway.

 

[Judoka]

I remember when many people here wanted to be in the Big East lol

Nobody wanted to be in the Big East. A lot of people were of the opinion that if the Big XII fell apart the Big East would have been preferable to the Mountain West. Big difference.

 

[Judoka]

We wouldn't be throwing anyone out in a merger. Also, if you take off the cardinal glasses, a lot of other schools in both leagues would have ISU on that list as well. Not a good option.

Yeah, I don't see why any ISU fan wouldn't be extremely worried about any kind of merger/dissolution involving the Big XII.

 

[snowcraig2.0]

We wouldn't be throwing anyone out in a merger. Also, if you take off the cardinal glasses, a lot of other schools in both leagues would have ISU on that list as well. Not a good option.

I'm not wearing any cardinal glasses.

After you have Texas, OU, and KU, what team in the Big 12 is the next most valuable to the PAC? ISU is. We bring 3 million more TV's, AAU status, and packed crowds for football and basketball.