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***OFFICIAL BIG 12 EXPANSION THREAD 2.0***

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Old members on the left, replacements on the right:

Boston College -- Memphis
Syracuse -- Southern Methodist
Pittsburgh -- Houston
Miami -- Central Florida
Rutgers -- Tulane
West Virginia -- Eastern Carolina

Sad, sad sad.
 
Gonzo said:
The SEC is an academic cesspool. No way UNC, one of the best public universities in the country, ends up there.
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DistrictCyclone said:
UNC definitely fits the academic profile of a Big Ten school (excluding Nebraska), but I wouldn't call the SEC an academic cesspool. UF, UGA, A&M, Missery, and even Alabama are all very good public universities. And of course Vanderbilt on the private side.
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I get that Gonzo is an Iowa fan, and the Big 10 might just be the best academic conference outside of the Ivy League, but I've never understood ISU fans calling the SEC a "cesspool academic conference." While I consider ISU to be a very good academic college, when it's the second or third best college in the Big 12 academically, it's essentially the pot calling the kettle black. For instance, Taco Tech, K-State, and West Virginia are probably as bad if not worse than anything the SEC has to offer.
 
jdoggivjc said:
I get that Gonzo is an Iowa fan, and the Big 10 might just be the best academic conference outside of the Ivy League, but I've never understood ISU fans calling the SEC a "cesspool academic conference." While I consider ISU to be a very good academic college, when it's the second or third best college in the Big 12 academically, it's essentially the pot calling the kettle black. For instance, Taco Tech, K-State, and West Virginia are probably as bad if not worse than anything the SEC has to offer.
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I just saw that Auburn is actually ranked higher than ISU in the US News rankings. WTF, why do we keep slipping in those rankings?
 
jdoggivjc said:
I get that Gonzo is an Iowa fan, and the Big 10 might just be the best academic conference outside of the Ivy League, but I've never understood ISU fans calling the SEC a "cesspool academic conference." While I consider ISU to be a very good academic college, when it's the second or third best college in the Big 12 academically, it's essentially the pot calling the kettle black. For instance, Taco Tech, K-State, and West Virginia are probably as bad if not worse than anything the SEC has to offer.
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Big 12 fans have absolutely no reason to talk about other conferences' academics when ours is 30% juco
 
Cincy pushing to get into ACC according to espn at the halftime show of Iowa, VTech game.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Old members on the left, replacements on the right:

Boston College -- Memphis
Syracuse -- Southern Methodist
Pittsburgh -- Houston
Miami -- Central Florida
Rutgers -- Tulane
West Virginia -- Eastern Carolina

Sad, sad sad.
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If significant realignment occurs in the next few months (and it appears it will), the ACC will end up looking like the old Big East, the Big East will end up looking like the old CUSA, and most of the existing ACC schools will be disbursed among the B10, B12 and SEC.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Old members on the left, replacements on the right:

Boston College -- Memphis
Syracuse -- Southern Methodist
Pittsburgh -- Houston
Miami -- Central Florida
Rutgers -- Tulane
West Virginia -- Eastern Carolina

Sad, sad sad.
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As has been said, the Big East is really C-USA and the ACC is the Big East.

Imo, many of the ACC schools can be had if the Big 12 would invite enough that they had their own division.
 
colbycheese said:
It could be legit. If I remember correctly, ND picked Navy as one of their guaranteed rivalry games (just like USC) when they partially joined the ACC. It could be an attempt to force ND's hand. The rest of the ACC said they'd sign the GOR if ND joined 100%.

... And Navy has an order of magnitude more tradition (and fans/TVs) than Maryland ever did.
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Full membership by ND is the only way the ACC as we know it stays intact. What ND and NBC should do is create a new 8-team FB conference with Eastern schools like Duke, Wake, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Miami and UConn. ND can play those 7 every season and still have five games to play the likes of USC, Stanford, Navy, Purdue, Michigan, etc. This new conference can then add G-Town and Nova for a strong 10-team hoops and non-rev sports conference.

Seems like a no-brainer to me given that NBC and NBCSN is dying for new content.
 
swarthmoreCY said:
As has been said, the Big East is really C-USA and the ACC is the Big East.

Imo, many of the ACC schools can be had if the Big 12 would invite enough that they had their own division.
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Assuming the ACC members would insist on, or we offer them, their own division...unless we have an 18-team conference, at least one of the nine "western" schools would need to join the ACC teams and West Virginia...I'm guessing that would be us, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Assuming the ACC members would insist on, or we offer them, their own division...unless we have an 18-team conference, at least one of the nine "western" schools would need to join the ACC teams and West Virginia...I'm guessing that would be us, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.
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Probably would be us, but could make a case for TCU being the newbie too.
 
DistrictCyclone said:
Assuming the ACC members would insist on, or we offer them, their own division...unless we have an 18-team conference, at least one of the nine "western" schools would need to join the ACC teams and West Virginia...I'm guessing that would be us, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this.
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You infered correctly, and it would depend on the Big 12's T3 model changing to a conference network. WVA moves to the ACC side. Given our lack of leverage, that side would be mostly up to them, but ideally (imo) it would be FSU, Ga Tech, Clemson, UNC, Duke, NC St, Va. Tech, and Pitt.
I am guessing UVa and Va Tech would be a package, and Tobacco Road would mandate UVa, so no Pitt. Rumor has it they (Tobacco Road) would rebuild the ACC with UL and UConn if Ga Tech, UVa went to the Big 10 and FSU + Clemson went to the Big 12. Speculating further, this may mean the NC schools would demand Wake's inclusion, and that the Big 12 would need to add UL to get the 5 other ACC schools (in addition to FSU & Clemson).

Without the conference network, 18 is likely too many teams, as stability comes from $$$ and a GoR. Also, FSU has already shown they are not happy with the football side of things, and this would not likely change this without creative scheduling.
 
The Big Twelve needs to get UL so the ACC does not for expansion purpose, beat them to the punch then get FSU, CU, Gtech, UNC, and Duke (for bball.) or NCST. Or just expand to Twelve with FSU and CU, but that would not add enough profit to the league like expanding with others mentioned to get to 16. Or just sit tight at 10.
 
BloodyBuddy said:
Probably would be us, but could make a case for TCU being the newbie too.
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And the new eastern teams would all like the idea of a game in texas more often. TCU was dying to be in a league with UConn and Boise State, ACC teams would practically be regional compared to that.
 
scyclonekid said:
The Big Twelve needs to make a move and sweep up the good ACC schools along with UL.
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Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.
 
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acgclone said:
Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.
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We will see.
 
acgclone said:
Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.
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Agree totally.
 
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acgclone said:
Outside of preemtively taking L-ville so the ACC cannot grab them, it doesn't matter what we do. FSU, Clemson, GT, Va Tech and others will likely wait to see who the SEC and B1G want before they make a move to the B12. The fact is we are a clear #3 option for all of them.
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Not unless they want to come as a package. Big10 & SEC don't have room for all of them and it seemed like last summer FSU didn't want to come unless Miami, GT & Clemson also came. If the Big 12 offers to take Miami, FSU, GT, Clemson, Pitt & UL as a package I think they come and Big 10 can take UNC & UVA and SEC takes VaTech & NCSU or some combo. That way Big10, SEC and Big12 all stop at 16.
 
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