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IHavNoCyCash said:
yep. Deluded.
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Really?

Outside of last year, Tech's last sub 8 win season was 2001. We won 8 games in Tuberville's first season as HC during a transition year. Last year we may not have made 8 wins, but I think we missed at least some opportunity based on the 30 whatever injuries we had.

If we don't make 8 this year, you are saying we won't next year? With an even more experienced team (Tuberville's two top 25 recruiting classes are just now seeing the field) and we will have much heralded Michael Brewer at QB after three years in the system learning, plus more time for Kaufman to revamp the defense.

Look I am not calling it a lock but this isn't a bad bet. I would certainly toss what is essentially a tank of gas at the idea we will get 8 wins either this season or the next. Its not like we didn't just have one in 2010.
 
StanleyXY said:
We aren't assuming we will be as good as Leach's best season of 11-2. We are assuming that we are back to average of 8-4 (8-5/9-4). This is the general consensus among the Tech faithful.
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Forfeitures aside (wasn't my point, but doesn't format right when I take it out of there) it doesn't seem like pre-Leach Tech was used to those type of years. These are the past 10 years before Leach:

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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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[TD]1998[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1996, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 7 ineligible players, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]1996[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1995, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 14 ineligible players, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD]9[/TD]
[TD]3[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1994, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 16 ineligible players, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]1994[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD][/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1993, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 21 ineligible players, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]1993[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1992, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 13 ineligible players, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]1992[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1991, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 5 ineligible players, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]1991[/TD]
[TD]6[/TD]
[TD]5[/TD]
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[TD="colspan: 5"]1990, Texas Tech admitted to participation of 1 ineligible player, promised to forfeit games, but has never changed the official record.[/TD]
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[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
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It gets worse if I go back 20 years.
 
CtownCyclone said:
Buncha internet tough-guys on both sides. I envision a close game either way. I give us the edge since we're at home. Jantz has made too many mistakes for us to be as confident as some of the posters on here are.
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I really don't see this being a close game. Somebody is going to win it by 4+ touchdowns. I'm just not sure which team that will be.
 
ttuadvisor said:
Paul Rhoads record in his first 3 years at Iowa State would have probably gotten him fired in Lubbock, Austin, or Oklahoma. That's just the way it is.
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This is the dumbest argument I have read in a long time. You don't even remotely take into account where the program was at the time of Rhoads taking over. Your comments about Tubs' winning percentage being higher than Rhoads means essentially nothing and is basically worthless. If Nick Saban started coaching at KU tomorrow his winning percentage might be lower than Tuberville's too, but that fact out of context has almost no bearing on who the better coach is.

I think you get bagged on more on this site than you should be, and some ISU fans are overconfident to a fault going into tomorrow's game, but you don't help yourself by making a stupid argument like this.
 
GMackey32 said:
They would want him gone because he is regressing from what Leach had built. Jesus you are dense. Tubs is building on anything. His Tech teams are regressing. Rhoads' teams are moving forward to what we had with Chizik. There isn't a difference in expectations between the fan bases. The only difference between the two fan bases is that ISU fans realize it's going to take time to dig out of the **** hole that Chizik dug while Tech fans got so spoiled from Leach's teams that they unrealistic expectations from Tubs when he's trying to rebuild Tech.

Tuberville may have the better winning % because HE'S PLAYED LESSER OPPONENTS. That's the point I was making. And no matter asinine stats you want to pull up, it doesn't change the fact that Tubs still has a losing record against ISU.
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Don't know that the lesser opponent things really makes a big difference, since CPR is great against our noncon schedule, no matter what we've thrown out there. 2 losses to Iowa, and I think that's it.

It's a better argument to point to the talent level each coach walked into. The schedule argument would only help us if we were losing those games, and that wouldn't help us in the more important ways.
 
It's pretty funny to me that a Tech fan thinks that Rhoads would be having the same results he is having at ISU if he were coaching at Oklahoma or Texas. Hell... even Tubs could win big at schools like that. :rolleyes:
 
CtownCyclone said:
Buncha internet tough-guys on both sides. I envision a close game either way. I give us the edge since we're at home. Jantz has made too many mistakes for us to be as confident as some of the posters on here are.
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This is how I feel too. If this game was on the road I wouldn't have as good of a feeling about it. As long as we don't hand them the game like Texas last year then I think it will be close.
 
Cyclonestate78 said:
It's pretty funny to me that a Tech fan thinks that Rhoads would be having the same results he is having at ISU if he were coaching at Oklahoma or Texas. Hell... even Tubs could win big at schools like that. :rolleyes:
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Well one of the worst coaches in ISU history went to Auburn and won the NC in his first year.
 
Ciclone said:
Forfeitures aside (wasn't my point, but doesn't format right when I take it out of there) it doesn't seem like pre-Leach Tech was used to those type of years.
It gets worse if I go back 20 years.
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True, but the average for the past decade or so is 8ish wins, thats all I really meant. Plus thats what the average prediction has been for those that I have polled.
 
StanleyXY said:
True, but the average for the past decade or so is 8ish wins, thats all I really meant. Plus thats what the average prediction has been for those that I have polled.
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Interesting sidebar:
Tech fans only want to discuss the last 10 years. Hawk fans scream bloody murder if you only talk about the last 10 years. Talk amongst yourselves.
 
Wait, we have Tech fans now putting their program on the same level as Oklahoma and Texas?? Well, I guess we know who took Aggie's place in the conference...
 
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CycloneErik said:
Don't know that the lesser opponent things really makes a big difference, since CPR is great against our noncon schedule, no matter what we've thrown out there. 2 losses to Iowa, and I think that's it.

It's a better argument to point to the talent level each coach walked into. The schedule argument would only help us if we were losing those games, and that wouldn't help us in the more important ways.
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Tubs was 13-12 after 2 years. Take away the losses to #9 Iowa and #10 Utah and replace them with games against Weber State and New Mexico, and Rhoads' record goes to 13-11 (plus a bowl game) in that same span. That's the point I was making.
 
GMackey32 said:
Wait, we have Tech fans now putting their program on the same level as Oklahoma and Texas?? Well, I guess we know who took Aggie's place in the conference...
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I think you are jumping to conclusions. We are clearly a tier below. The point TTUAdvisor was making is that stringing 5 win seasons together at Texas Tech will get you fired, like it would at UT or OU.

Of course circumstances are different between states of our respective programs and thats what causes different fan and administrative expectations. TTUAdvisor was just pointing it out. Expectations at Tech are that we get 7/8 or more wins or Tuberville is on the hot seat.
 
CtownCyclone said:
Sounds like you are going between overly confident and supremely depressed. :peek:
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I figure either our offense will move the ball, allowing our defense to stay rested and shut Tech out from scoring much. We wear them down and turn it into a blowout on the ground. Or our offense won't move the ball and our defense gets worn down and it turns into a blowout through the air.

I just don't see these teams trading blows.
 
StanleyXY said:
I think you are jumping to conclusions. We are clearly a tier below. The point TTUAdvisor was making is that stringing 5 win seasons together at Texas Tech will get you fired, like it would at UT or OU.

Of course circumstances are different between states of our respective programs and thats what causes different fan and administrative expectations. TTUAdvisor was just pointing it out. Expectations at Tech are that we get 7/8 or more wins or Tuberville is on the hot seat.
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When did Rhoads string together 5 win seasons at ISU? He implied that Texas Tech is on the same level as Oklahoma and Texas, and it wasn't on accident. Why wouldn't he choose K-State and OSU?
 
Judoka said:
I figure either our offense will move the ball, allowing our defense to stay rested and shut Tech out from scoring much. We wear them down and turn it into a blowout on the ground. Or our offense won't move the ball and our defense gets worn down and it turns into a blowout through the air.

I just don't see these teams trading blows.
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I want to believe that the former scenario occurs. However, I think we have a few dumb turnovers/penalties that stall us out a time or two and Tech stays in it at the end. Remember, 2 years ago, we got up big, Tech came back, and then we ran back an onsides kick to ice it. The game was closer than the score indicates.
 
GMackey32 said:
When did Rhoads string together 5 win seasons at ISU? He implied that Texas Tech is on the same level as Oklahoma and Texas, and it wasn't on accident. Why wouldn't he choose K-State and OSU?
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I apologize, for some reason I thought you guys were also 5 wins last season. My mistake.

If that is truly what he implied, then I disagree with him. I don't think thats what he meant though.
 
GMackey32 said:
Tubs was 13-12 after 2 years. Take away the losses to #9 Iowa and #10 Utah and replace them with games against Weber State and New Mexico, and Rhoads' record goes to 13-11 (plus a bowl game) in that same span. That's the point I was making.
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I forgot all about Utah. The flashbacks had ended. That makes sense, but now I'm forced to acknowledge some dark, dark memories.
 
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