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CycloneJames

CycloneJames

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I didn't see this anywhere, sorry if its already been posted. But take a look at this link and the video in the article. It talks about how Cal players were faking injuries during their game against Oregon in order to slow them down. The video shows a player get up with ease from a previous play, look to the sideline, and then fall down over the ball with an "injury". I'm sure this happens more often than we think. But a source told the Oregonian that it was a "big part" of their gameplan against Oregon. I'm not sure there is much you can do to prevent it, but it makes watching Oregons amazing offense less exciting.

Oregon football: Fake injuries were part of Cal's game plan, source says | OregonLive.com
 
I thought the defense could be flagged for delay of game for doing this? Maybe that's just an NFL rule. Anyway, it would be a difficult call to make as you're asking the officials to determine how "injured" a player is. What would the ramifications be if you flagged a team when a player was legitimately hurt? It's not uncommon to see a guy get up slowly, then eventually jog off the field without anybody helping him.
 
I had a feeling Nebbie was doing that against us. Seems like whenever we had momentum one of their players would go down or there was some other delay from them. I suppose its a good strategy if you are worried the other team might be better than you.......
 
CycloneJames said:
I didn't see this anywhere, sorry if its already been posted. But take a look at this link and the video in the article. It talks about how Cal players were faking injuries during their game against Oregon in order to slow them down. The video shows a player get up with ease from a previous play, look to the sideline, and then fall down over the ball with an "injury". I'm sure this happens more often than we think. But a source told the Oregonian that it was a "big part" of their gameplan against Oregon. I'm not sure there is much you can do to prevent it, but it makes watching Oregons amazing offense less exciting.

Oregon football: Fake injuries were part of Cal's game plan, source says | OregonLive.com
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Greeny and Golic were talking about this this morning. I agree with Greeny that if it is proven they were coached to do this, the coach should be suspended.
 
I watched that game entirely and they did it a number of times. It was always about like that. The trainers would come running out and start stretching um out for cramps. I knew it was a load when a D-lineman went down in the first half with cramps. Cramps usually don't set in till mid 3rd, and especially not on D-lineman.
 
This can't be, I've been assured by this board that soccer players are the only athletes on Earth who would do such things to gain advantage. This suggests that even manly Joe American football coach thinks like Vincenzo the Italian soccer wuss.

Seriously though, they can get a card for diving too. It's just called so rarely that the advantage is still to try to sell the call. Same here, I'm sure at some point a flag will be thrown, by then all the fakers and wuss football players cheating will have reaped the benefits of being pansies and getting calls. It's the same thing all around, if they can get away with it they will, just like basketball players flopping (Shane Battier was worse than any of 1000s of soccer players I've seen), pitchers doctoring balls and catchers "framing" pitches.
 
That is crazy. The NCAA should look at this and do something about it. But with the NCAA being the NCAA nothing will get done.
 
I don't really have a problem with Cal trying this and I'm surprised more teams don't do it. They knew going into the game that they were outmanned. Shoot, I remember ISU playing Minnesota at home years ago and their running back faked an injury when they had no timeouts and were driving under 50 seconds in the first half. They eventually scored and it ****** me off because it was obvious. But if the officials don't call an unsportsmanlike penalty, I guess its legal.
 
HFCS said:
This can't be, I've been assured by this board that soccer players are the only athletes on Earth who would do such things to gain advantage. This suggests that even manly Joe American football coach thinks like Vincenzo the Italian soccer wuss.

Seriously though, they can get a card for diving too. It's just called so rarely that the advantage is still to try to sell the call. Same here, I'm sure at some point a flag will be thrown, by then all the fakers and wuss football players cheating will have reaped the benefits of being pansies and getting calls. It's the same thing all around, if they can get away with it they will, just like basketball players flopping (Shane Battier was worse than any of 1000s of soccer players I've seen), pitchers doctoring balls and catchers "framing" pitches.
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You have beat this dead horse SOOOOOOOO much.
 
HFCS said:
This can't be, I've been assured by this board that soccer players are the only athletes on Earth who would do such things to gain advantage. This suggests that even manly Joe American football coach thinks like Vincenzo the Italian soccer wuss.

Seriously though, they can get a card for diving too. It's just called so rarely that the advantage is still to try to sell the call. Same here, I'm sure at some point a flag will be thrown, by then all the fakers and wuss football players cheating will have reaped the benefits of being pansies and getting calls. It's the same thing all around, if they can get away with it they will, just like basketball players flopping (Shane Battier was worse than any of 1000s of soccer players I've seen), pitchers doctoring balls and catchers "framing" pitches.
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The problem is how do you catch them? With diving in soccer the ref is watching the play. But in this situation the ref is trying to spot the ball. I wonder if this might be something that the conference looks over after the fact and suspends players. Its pretty clear from the video he wasn't actually injured. But its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to catch people doing it during the game.
 
EddieISU said:
I don't really have a problem with Cal trying this and I'm surprised more teams don't do it. They knew going into the game that they were outmanned. Shoot, I remember ISU playing Minnesota at home years ago and their running back faked an injury when they had no timeouts and were driving under 50 seconds in the first half. They eventually scored and it ****** me off because it was obvious. But if the officials don't call an unsportsmanlike penalty, I guess its legal.
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So you don't have a problem with blatant cheating? I'm sorry, but I'd want my team to win fair or not win at all. Any coach who lacks enough integrity to try this tactic is a loser in my book. It is unsporting and damaging to the integrity of the game.
 
CycloneJames said:
The problem is how do you catch them? With diving in soccer the ref is watching the play. But in this situation the ref is trying to spot the ball. I wonder if this might be something that the conference looks over after the fact and suspends players. Its pretty clear from the video he wasn't actually injured. But its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to catch people doing it during the game.
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I think you're right that it would have to be suspensions after a game based on film review. Not really a way to call it during a game without the risk of penalizing real injuries.

Coaches wouldn't have non-valuable players on the field in crunch time so it would usually be a significant loss. The bad part is that sometimes it would result in a player being suspended for only doing what his soccer-loving-cheater-coach told him to do.
 
CycloneJames said:
The problem is how do you catch them? With diving in soccer the ref is watching the play. But in this situation the ref is trying to spot the ball. I wonder if this might be something that the conference looks over after the fact and suspends players. Its pretty clear from the video he wasn't actually injured. But its going to be EXTREMELY difficult to catch people doing it during the game.
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I agree that the punishment should be on the coach, after the game, when evidence like the Cal video is available.

However, there are approx. 6? refs on the field for any given football game. (too lazy to look it up). There are only 3 refs for a soccer game, on a bigger field, with the same number of players. I think it would be easier for 6+ people to catch a football player than 3 people catching a soccer player. This probably factors into why more soccer players do it.
 
How would you catch it? How do you expect a ref to enforce this? Unless the guy is walking just fine, barely gets touched, but falls down and acts like he got run over by a truck, and then gets up and runs off the field, how do you know he wasn't injured?

There's nothing that says you can't ask for help for something as 'minor' as a stinger or having the wind knocked out of you.

Let's face it. There's probably a fair bit of this that happens across the football landscape. You'll watch the pros and some guy will go down for a few minutes. And then walk off gingerly, only to return after a few plays. Or in college, or in high school...

Now, I'm not saying "because it happens, let it happen", but that unless you change the rules concerning injuries and injury timeouts, people won't stop misusing it in order to slow down the momentum of the game/buy some time. And I just don't think we'll be seeing rules like "3 injury timeouts per half" or "15 second max injury timeout" or "player who gets injured has to prove he is injured. Aka get a doctor's note".
 
edr247 said:
How would you catch it? How do you expect a ref to enforce this? Unless the guy is walking just fine, barely gets touched, but falls down and acts like he got run over by a truck, and then gets up and runs off the field, how do you know he wasn't injured?

There's nothing that says you can't ask for help for something as 'minor' as a stinger or having the wind knocked out of you.

Let's face it. There's probably a fair bit of this that happens across the football landscape. You'll watch the pros and some guy will go down for a few minutes. And then walk off gingerly, only to return after a few plays. Or in college, or in high school...

Now, I'm not saying "because it happens, let it happen", but that unless you change the rules concerning injuries and injury timeouts, people won't stop misusing it in order to slow down the momentum of the game/buy some time. And I just don't think we'll be seeing rules like "3 injury timeouts per half" or "15 second max injury timeout" or "player who gets injured has to prove he is injured. Aka get a doctor's note".
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I would say if video evidence shows a player walking around totally fine, happening more than once, in the final minutes of a game where clock matters, it's completely rational to penalize the team somehow after the game.

Hate to keep bringing up soccer, but when someone gets hurt and actually leaves a game they can't come back in. That's one no brainer to curb this cheating. A player who causes an injury timeout in the final two or three minutes of a game should not be allowed back in the game.
 
Penalize the coaches enough that they won't do it again. Fines, suspensions, whatever it takes. I don't think you can ask the refs to try and figure out if they're faking it or not. Video evidence should be enough though.
 
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