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cykadelic2 said:
If PCSA does get passed in its current version, the super league breakaway won't be permitted.
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How wouldn't it be permitted? Specifically saying there can be no "super league". I doubt that would stand up in court. It would be like Congress passing a rule that the NFL, NBA or MLB can't expand or create their own playoff structures.

And there is always a work-around. The Big 10 & SEC could just pull out of the current CFB structure and decide their respective Conferences would provide their own governance rules. Then what's to stop them from creating their own CFP among the 2 conferences?
 
isucy86 said:
How wouldn't it be permitted? Specifically saying there can be no "super league". I doubt that would stand up in court. It would be like Congress passing a rule that the NFL, NBA or MLB can't expand or create their own playoff structures.

And there is always a work-around. The Big 10 & SEC could just pull out of the current CFB structure and decide their respective Conferences would provide their own governance rules. Then what's to stop them from creating their own CFP among the 2 conference
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If they had gonads, their university presidents.
 
Kinch said:
I can guarantee that if there is a 24 team super league, lawsuits to test the PCSA will be not be the top billed lawsuit, it will come from teams the Big Ten and SEC teams left out.
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There are already 34 teams in the Big10/SEC. IMO the idea of a Super League will never happen. The Big10/SEC will just continue to expand like they have for the last 15 years and remain separate. The only question is how big does each conference get? IMO the over/under is 48 Big10 & SEC schools.
 
isucy86 said:
Because there's more money in it for Cruz/Cantwell/etc. to kick the can into 2027. Then Cody Campbell, Private Equity, etc. have to load their lobbyist up with more money for another fight?

Plus I doubt "politicians" want to piss off their consituents. In most cases they are residents and fans of in-state schools. And why is PCSA good for SEC & Big 10 states? Politicians in FL, SC, TX, NC, etc. might like some of the guard rails that PCSA provides. But no way they want to stop their instate schools from joing the Big 10/SEC.
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I agree with you there. I don't see them opposing PSCA outright, even if they don't like any of it that'd be bad optics. But they're never going to approve it without the "optional" tag on media pooling, or with the provision of no further expansion. As long as that's in there the bill is DOA.
 
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Gonzo said:
Which other states?
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Texas amongst co-sponsors only. There will be others as the votes in both houses get rounded up.

Some of you are again forgetting that there are multiple states with multiple G5/ACC/B12 schools that far outnumber the 34 SEC and B10 schools in those states. Congressional members in those states don't want to destroy the ADs of those schools by not passing PCSA when B10/SEC schools will still clearly benefit and maintain significant financial advantages with PCSA passage. The only entities not benefitted by PCSA passage are ESPN and Fox.
 
isucy86 said:
Once the voluntary language is in place and passed, then the ACC & Big 12 lose all leverage. There in no indication that the Big10 & SEC desire to not pool will go away.

Sure FBS pooling optimizes money for all 66 schools. It's pure SOCIALISM! But it doens't optimize money for the 25+ teams in the Big10/SEC who aren't OSU, Mich, PSU, UT, A&M, etc. So the majority of the Big10 & SEC school Presidents are never going to vote for pooling. Why would Purdue, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas, etc. give up their $30M/year advantage over Big12 & ACC teams? They wouldn't.
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Yes, it clearly does even with an element of unequal revenue sharing within the B10 and SEC. Hell, legacy B10 schools like Iowa and Michigan St should be vigorously lobbying for 7x10 so they don't have to continue sharing the Ohio State gravy train with the likes of Rutgers, Maryland, Nebraska.
 
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cykadelic2 said:
Texas amongst co-sponsors only. There will be others as the votes in both houses get rounded up.

Some of you are again forgetting that there are multiple states with multiple G5/ACC/B12 schools that far outnumber the 34 SEC and B10 schools in those states. Congressional members in those states don't want to destroy the ADs of those schools by not passing PCSA when B10/SEC schools will still clearly benefit and maintain significant financial advantages with PCSA passage. The only entities not benefitted by PCSA passage are ESPN and Fox.
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Let me tell you as a member of a family that goes back generations in financial support of the 3rd largest university in a state that all the politicians are just lining right up to make sure that the have nots get everything they need and a completely and totally level playing field.
 
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isucy86 said:
There are already 34 teams in the Big10/SEC. IMO the idea of a Super League will never happen. The Big10/SEC will just continue to expand like they have for the last 15 years and remain separate. The only question is how big does each conference get? IMO the over/under is 48 Big10 & SEC schools.
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,I was responding to someone’s hypothetical on a 24 team super league.
 
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1UNI2ISU said:
Let me tell you as a member of a family that goes back generations in financial support of the 3rd largest university in a state that all the politicians are just lining right up to make sure that the have nots get everything they need and a completely and totally level playing field.
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LOL, that is quite the drama queen post.

The intent of PCSA is not to completely level the playing field. One of its intents is to prevent additional financial/competitive relegation like what happened to Wazzu and Oregon St (and could happen to ISU) and facilitate additional funding of doubled/tripled TV revenues to all members of FBS. Heck if they do it right with full media rights pooling, they can easily include FCS FB playoff rights into a B10 or SEC rights bundle to benefit UNI (i.e. if you want SEC or B10, you’re also paying for FCS playoff FB).
 
1UNI2ISU said:
Let me tell you as a member of a family that goes back generations in financial support of the 3rd largest university in a state that all the politicians are just lining right up to make sure that the have nots get everything they need and a completely and totally level playing field.
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I would say the Iowa Board of Regents may have serious issues with Iowa going along with this nonsense. I don’t think there are many Hok grads on the BOR.
 
cykadelic2 said:
LOL, that is quite the drama queen post.

The intent of PCSA is not to completely level the playing field. One of its intents is to prevent additional financial/competitive relegation like what happened to Wazzu and Oregon St (and could happen to ISU) and facilitate additional funding of doubled/tripled TV revenues to all members of FBS. Heck if they do it right with full media rights pooling, they can easily include FCS FB playoff rights into a B10 or SEC rights bundle to benefit UNI (i.e. if you want SEC or B10, you’re also paying for FCS playoff FB).
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Again.

Why do you think so little of Iowa State that you are constantly comparing it to the two historically worst power league teams?

Why would the Big Ten/SEC want any part of this when they're going to double up regardless of legislation?

Got your name calling in too. Nice work!
 
cykadelic2 said:
Last I checked, breaking Federal law is frowned upon with fines, jail time, etc.
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There is ZERO change realignment restrictions and media pooling will be what you want.

Last I checked, Federal Legislation has to withstand judicial scrutiny. Any legislation by Congress to restrict realignment or require revenue sharing will surely be fought in court.

And like I mentioned, there are workarounds. No Super League. The SEC and Big 10:
  1. Break away from current CFB structure.
  2. Each conference establishes their own governance.
  3. Play 10 conference games. Create a scheduling alliance and play 2 inter-conference games.
  4. Establish a joint playoff with media partners (invite ACC/Big 12 schools optional).
 
isucy86 said:
There are already 34 teams in the Big10/SEC. IMO the idea of a Super League will never happen. The Big10/SEC will just continue to expand like they have for the last 15 years and remain separate. The only question is how big does each conference get? IMO the over/under is 48 Big10 & SEC schools.
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Why wouldn't some version of a super league happen? It isn't a stretch that the top brands of the P2 to decide they dont need the bottom of their conferences and are better off together. When that happens, it is easier for them to leave their conferences as a group than to try and boot anyone out. Lets say roughly 25 of the 34 teams in the current P2 break away. Bring ND, Miami, Clemson, FSU along. They will no longer be beholden to NCAA governance and get to negotiate with the media partners as a collection of the largest brands in American sports.

I don't know the number, I would guess between 20 and 40, but I fully expect there will be a push towards a separation before the dust settles.
 
State of Iowa can mandate media rights distribution pooling right now between Iowa and Iowa State if they cared to and had the votes. the Tavern Hoks would have a cow.
 
BMWallace said:
Why wouldn't some version of a super league happen? It isn't a stretch that the top brands of the P2 to decide they dont need the bottom of their conferences and are better off together. When that happens, it is easier for them to leave their conferences as a group than to try and boot anyone out. Lets say roughly 25 of the 34 teams in the current P2 break away. Bring ND, Miami, Clemson, FSU along. They will no longer be beholden to NCAA governance and get to negotiate with the media partners as a collection of the largest brands in American sports.

I don't know the number, I would guess between 20 and 40, but I fully expect there will be a push towards a separation before the dust settles.
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Agree there could be separation of Big 10/SEC.

Realignment is all about maximizing media rights investment vs. fanbase viewership. So there is a realignment sweet spot of schools. IMO that is 44-48 schools. I lean on 48 because some valuable schools will join taking partial shares for an extended period.

Even the Harlem Globetrotters needed the Washington Generals. So no reason for blue bloods to push aside schools like Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Arkansas, Miss State, etc. over the next 10-15 years.
 
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Kinch said:
State of Iowa can mandate media rights distribution pooling right now between Iowa and Iowa State if they cared to and had the votes. the Tavern Hoks would have a cow.
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98% of the population wouldn't even realize the difference.

Only idiots like us that live in the bubble care about this stuff.
 
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