Big 12 FB Media Days
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Yeah wtf are we even doing. like why are we talking so much about beating our instate rivals. just grow up already
I cant tell if this is a serious comment or not
I am but let me clarify. I was referring to the fan base and that fact that sentiment was all he shared that he was hearing. For some, causals maybe, this is the number one goal and often by a margin.Yeah wtf are we even doing. like why are we talking so much about beating our instate rivals. just grow up already
I cant tell if this is a serious comment or not
It seemed like there had been a positive shift that more fans were buying into the importance and fun playing in the B12 Champ game and bowls against the likes of Clemson, Miami, Oregon, Notre Dame, etc.. Some of those years we lost to the hawks, but had very successful seasons. I want to beat the hawks too, but it's not my sole focus and I put a higher preference playing for conference titles and meaningful post-season games. I enjoyed the Campbell years much more than the McCarney years and we had more national relevance which is more critical than ever moving forward. If we win that game...it was an upset, if we lose...we were supposed to. That started to change at the end of the Campbell era. If I had a chance to get in Rogers ear, conference results would be my first emphasis.
I also have the benefit of living out of state, which I get.
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Yeah it is a lot easier to deal with when you don't have to live amongst them.
Yep. Bill Connelly's SP+ factors in transfers for returning production and he has different factors based on position, what level a transfer is coming from, and if players are coming with their coaches. By his numbers ISU is 102 out of 138 nationally in returning production. From the P4, only UNC (103), Iowa (104), and Vanderbilt (106) have less returning production.
He specifically noted ISU as a team to regress based on returning production: "Iowa State. ISU underwent quite the roster transfusion after losing coach Matt Campbell to Penn State and replacing him with Washington State's Jimmy Rogers. Among the 55 outgoing transfers were 23 who followed Campbell to State College; meanwhile, among the 47 incoming players were 15 former Wazzu Cougars. I like quite a few of the players Rogers added -- quarterback Jaylen Raynor (Arkansas State) is experienced, slot man Omari Hayes (Tulane) should be immediately reliable and Wazzu defensive end transfers Isaac Terrell and Malaki Ta'ase are major disruptors -- but this amount of turnover will almost always produce poor returning production numbers, especially considering Rogers also brought in 15 players from sub-FBS schools."
What returning production looks like for the 2026 college football season
Notre Dame and Texas have a lot coming back, but 2025 showed that might not mean as much.
Yep. Bill Connelly's SP+ factors in transfers for returning production and he has different factors based on position, what level a transfer is coming from, and if players are coming with their coaches. By his numbers ISU is 102 out of 138 nationally in returning production. From the P4, only UNC (103), Iowa (104), and Vanderbilt (106) have less returning production.
He specifically noted ISU as a team to regress based on returning production: "Iowa State. ISU underwent quite the roster transfusion after losing coach Matt Campbell to Penn State and replacing him with Washington State's Jimmy Rogers. Among the 55 outgoing transfers were 23 who followed Campbell to State College; meanwhile, among the 47 incoming players were 15 former Wazzu Cougars. I like quite a few of the players Rogers added -- quarterback Jaylen Raynor (Arkansas State) is experienced, slot man Omari Hayes (Tulane) should be immediately reliable and Wazzu defensive end transfers Isaac Terrell and Malaki Ta'ase are major disruptors -- but this amount of turnover will almost always produce poor returning production numbers, especially considering Rogers also brought in 15 players from sub-FBS schools."
What returning production looks like for the 2026 college football season
Notre Dame and Texas have a lot coming back, but 2025 showed that might not mean as much.www.espn.com
Yet, the other P4 teams (specifically looking at Vanderbilt) that have less returning production won't regress?
Also, does a players production from a "sub-FCS schools" not qualify for Bill? Doesn't appear so.
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Connelly does say that article that 2026 is a reset year for both Iowa and Vanderbilt with each having to replace 14 or 15 starters. The main difference is neither of those teams had to replace an entire coaching staff.
Reset doesn't mean regress. According to Bill, Vanderbilt will 'reset' but won't regress from their 10 win season last year. Yet the over/under win total for Vanderbilt is 5.5 this upcoming year (same as ISU).
I get this is Bill's opinion, but seems like he's going out of his way take a dump on the Big 12 (via Iowa State).
There's never a bad time to beat Iowa and it's an attainable goal. Other than when we play them, I kind of forget about them anymore. Just another mediocre B1G school.
I don't read his commentary that way. His commentary on Iowa and Vandy is in the "Most likely to regress in 2026" section of the article, right beneath his ISU comments. Additionally, his SEC preview has Vandy projected at 6.5 wins.
Any time there's a coaching change, one would expect some retrenchment and consolidation. Add in the roster turnover, and I think most of us aren't expecting Onward and Upward from the CMC years. Optimistically we can start to establish an identity, develop some players, and play well.Yep. Bill Connelly's SP+ factors in transfers for returning production and he has different factors based on position, what level a transfer is coming from, and if players are coming with their coaches. By his numbers ISU is 102 out of 138 nationally in returning production. From the P4, only UNC (103), Iowa (104), and Vanderbilt (106) have less returning production.
He specifically noted ISU as a team to regress based on returning production: "Iowa State. ISU underwent quite the roster transfusion after losing coach Matt Campbell to Penn State and replacing him with Washington State's Jimmy Rogers. Among the 55 outgoing transfers were 23 who followed Campbell to State College; meanwhile, among the 47 incoming players were 15 former Wazzu Cougars. I like quite a few of the players Rogers added -- quarterback Jaylen Raynor (Arkansas State) is experienced, slot man Omari Hayes (Tulane) should be immediately reliable and Wazzu defensive end transfers Isaac Terrell and Malaki Ta'ase are major disruptors -- but this amount of turnover will almost always produce poor returning production numbers, especially considering Rogers also brought in 15 players from sub-FBS schools."
What returning production looks like for the 2026 college football season
Notre Dame and Texas have a lot coming back, but 2025 showed that might not mean as much.
The SEC is overrated and Vandy has a pretty good head coach. I could see them being good again.
That sounds more like a punishment than a benefit.
Remember the timing of Roger's hire and first week on the job:
- Hired -Dec 5 (Fri)
- Hawk WBB- Dec 10
- Hawk MBB- Dec 11 (Thu)
But he seems like an intense guy and the next game is a rivalry game!
Those are good examples, but in my experience with people from those places, yes, it is different. Texans are a weird bunch.
