Realignment Megathread (All The Moves)

[FinalFourCy]

You are wrong. Big time. TV money most certainly did drive it then, especially when cable began in late 1970s.

Like driving a go kart vs driving a train.

The NCAA was intentionally suppressing TV revenue to preserve, in their minds, attendance. That exemplifies the difference in eras

The revenue gradients (in large part caused by TV were so much lower, it hardly was the decision point until the 90’s. Budgets of $5 to $10 million vs $120+ million

Conferences could exist 40+ years ago when rights were pooled above the conference level because they weren’t the conference’s we think of now. Revenue and scheduling a completely different paradigm than now

Conferences will need a CBA to govern to exist as we know them

 

[Kinch]

Like driving a go kart vs driving a train.

The NCAA was intentionally suppressing TV revenue to preserve, in their minds, attendance. That exemplifies the difference in eras

The revenue gradients (in large part caused by TV were so much lower, it hardly was the decision point until the 90’s. Budgets of $5 to $10 million vs $120+ million

Conferences could exist 40+ years ago when rights were pooled above the conference level because they weren’t the conference’s we think of now. Revenue and scheduling a completely different paradigm

In this era, if (valuable) rights are lost to a different pool, the conference is marginalized, if not dead, if they can’t replace the rights.

I worked with the guy who was involved in the TV and radio rights. He showed me the substantial increase in distributions. It certainly didn’t feel like a go kart to Iowa State then. Now it looks so small, but back then it was big and began to finance improvements. How do you think we were able to afford Johnny Orr?

 

[cykadelic2]

We need to find a way to play the game differently. For example, raise capital to make top P2 better offer than they can get sharing revenue equally with other P2

That offer is essentially on the table already but Sankey/ESPN and Petitti/Fox are making every attempt to ignore or not acknowledge it.

 

[FinalFourCy]

I worked with the guy who was involved in the TV and radio rights. He showed me the substantial increase in distributions. It certainly didn’t feel like a go kart to Iowa State then. Now it looks so small, but back then it was big and began to finance improvements. How do you think we were able to afford Johnny Orr?

and? That doesn’t mean because a conference existed when TV revenues were much, much lower, and when scheduling still archaic, current conferences as we know them, survive as we know them, if pooling and scheduling is by single national entity

Think about why the CFA died when conference took control of pooling and revenue mechanism. They can’t co-exist



You bring up Orr. We wouldn’t be able to hire him from Michigan now, and it’s because of revenue gradients determined in large part by tv valuations at conference level

 

[FinalFourCy]

That offer is essentially on the table already but Sankey/ESPN and Petitti/Fox are making every attempt to ignore or not acknowledge it.

Is it? I’m not aware of the M2 offering a bag to top P2. What offtake and investors are underwriting those offers? I’m hoping it could eventually be Paramount/redbird, and tech like Amazon, but it’s moot if the P2 first entice another 4-14 schools to join their cartel

There is legislation with the avenue to pooling all of P2 with others, along with a bunch of other things that are tangential at best.

of course they haven’t. The P2 didn’t make offers to Bowlsby, Kliavkoff, or Beebe for Big 12 or PAC schools.

 

[Kinch]

 

[Gonzo]

Seems like the universities in Petitti's conference are doing relatively ok.

 

[FinalFourCy]

Seems like the universities in Petitti's conference are doing relatively ok.

Those that are getting subsidized, yes

 

[cykadelic2]

Is it? I’m not aware of the M2 offering a bag to top P2. What offtake and investors are underwriting those offers? I’m hoping it could eventually be Paramount/redbird, and tech like Amazon, but it’s moot if the P2 first entice another 4-14 schools to join their cartel

There is legislation with the avenue to pooling all of P2 with others, along with a bunch of other things that are tangential at best.

"We need to find a way to play the game differently. For example, raise capital to make top P2 better offer than they can get sharing revenue equally with other P2"

Above is what I was responding to. Smash, CST, etc. all had presentations that Sankey, Petitti, Bjork, Byrne, DelConte etc. were all invited to. Smash/Swarbrick has recently been working with Campbell on DC lobbying efforts. The offer has been simple => Pool all FBS rights including CFP. Everything goes into one pot with G5 getting a cut (10% or whatever). 65% (or whatever) is shared equally amongst all P4/P7 and (25% or whatever) is shared unequally based on TV ratings. The unequal sharing portion can be allocated either by school or conference depending on conference preference. Bjork can fight with Petitti on the sharing mechanism for the B10.

Those offers would be underwritten by all of the networks bidding/buying the rights including Paramount/Redbird and Amazon.

And if Cruz-Cantwell doesn't get passed by YE 2027, good luck with the ACC/B12/Paramount backdooring Bjork and/or Byrne separately without Sankey/Petitti involvement and attempt to poach Ohio St and Bama.

 

[Kinch]

Seems like the universities in Petitti's conference are doing relatively ok.

Although Iowa and Minnesota are a drag on the conference, Petitti said two weeks ago.

 

[Kinch]

 

[Gonzo]

Although Iowa and Minnesota are a drag on the conference, Petitti said two weeks ago.

Every B1G school not named Ohio St., Michigan, Oregon, USC, and maybe to a lesser extent PSU could be considered a drag on the conference.

 

[Kinch]

Every B1G school not named Ohio St., Michigan, Oregon, USC, and maybe to a lesser extent PSU could be considered a drag on the conference.

True for Ohio State and Michigan but he specifically called out Minnesota and Iowa.

 

[Gonzo]

True for Ohio State and Michigan but he specifically called out Minnesota and Iowa.

Wasn't it something about the rivalry game?

 

[Al_4_State]

Every B1G school not named Ohio St., Michigan, Oregon, USC, and maybe to a lesser extent PSU could be considered a drag on the conference.

You might even be able to throw PSU in there (shockingly) based on that graph of revenue percentage derived from TV payouts.

 

[Al_4_State]

Well yeah, they want to add several ACC schools + Notre Dame.

I don't think the breakaway is as big of a deal as controlling every property worth $X.

 

[Kinch]

Wasn't it something about the rivalry game?

He said the reason for the 24 team playoff was to make Iowa and Minnesota game relevant to more people. He said it needed more “impact”.

 

[Gonzo]

He said the reason for the 24 team playoff was to make Iowa and Minnesota game relevant to more people. He said it needed more “impact”.

Well, yeah, it would make a lot of rivalry games have more impact.

Or are you saying he has a particular and elevated distaste for Iowa and Minnesota than the rest of the B1G?

 

[FriendlySpartan]

You might even be able to throw PSU in there (shockingly) based on that graph of revenue percentage derived from TV payouts.

If that data is from last season that makes some sense with how bad they were. They don’t get anything from basketball so only have one revenue sport

 

[Kinch]

Tony Petitti says his number one goal for the Big 10 is more money.