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cycloneworld said:
Nice outing Maton…

But 3 runs in 4 games and 1-22 with RISP isn’t going to cut it.
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Hoping he's dealing with a nagging injury or something because he's been a pretty good reliever the last few seasons but something seems off this season. He had strung together 5 good outings before tonight but everything before then left a lot to be desired.

Offense has got to get it going again. I think they will snap out of it and roll off another hot streak but feels like the bulk of the team just goes hot and cold at the same time. For as banged up as the pitching staff is the pitching really hasn't been the issue as 3 of the 4 losses the pitching kept them in it, just can't win many games when you score 0 0 2 1 runs.
 
Shota threw a fantastic game seven dominant innings.I’ve never understood why Council sends a starter with 90+ pitches out to face one more batter. It always seems to result with the runner reaching. We’ll never know for certain but the eighth could of went much differently if the receiver starts with a clean inning.
 
Cyforce said:
Shota threw a fantastic game seven dominant innings.I’ve never understood why Council sends a starter with 90+ pitches out to face one more batter. It always seems to result with the runner reaching. We’ll never know for certain but the eighth could of went much differently if the receiver starts with a clean inning.
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To be fair, he got a ground ball. Probably would have had another batter if Nico makes that flip.
 
RivClone23 said:
To be fair, he got a ground ball. Probably would have had another batter if Nico makes that flip.
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That’s kinda beside the point. It would have been a hell of a play. Regardless with the status of our bullpen. I’d rather see him start with a clean inning.
 
Cyforce said:
That’s kinda beside the point. It would have been a hell of a play. Regardless with the status of our bullpen. I’d rather see him start with a clean inning.
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How is it beside the point? He got a ground ball. All are not created equal (sometimes you get unlucky), but he got what he was supposed to get. Yes, it would have been a tough play, but I expect my gold glove 2nd baseman to make it. According to statcast it was the softest hit ball of the day. Stuff happens.

It was the bottom of the order and I think he stays in if the play is made.

Sure clean innings are cool, but I'll take my shot with the guy an ERA under 3 than Phil Maton any day.
 
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Cyforce said:
That’s kinda beside the point. It would have been a hell of a play. Regardless with the status of our bullpen. I’d rather see him start with a clean inning.
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To lazy to look, but wasn't it a lefty vs lefty matchup to start the inning? So I can understand Counsell's approach. Especially if splits favor.

Hoerner's a stud on D, but thought an easier play was barehand & flip.

Other than the two 10 game win streaks, Cubs are 7-16. They can be a 90-95 win team, but their playoff ceiling is pretty low.
 
isucy86 said:
To lazy to look, but wasn't it a lefty vs lefty matchup to start the inning? So I can understand Counsell's approach. Especially if splits favor.

Hoerner's a stud on D, but thought an easier play was barehand & flip.

Other than the two 10 game win streaks, Cubs are 7-16. They can be a 90-95 win team, but their playoff ceiling is pretty low.
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I don't think their playoff ceiling is low. Based on your numbers I would say the ceiling is high and the floor is low. Could rip off a hot stretch and win the whole thing or get swept in the first round.

Another reason to get a top 2 seed.
 
RivClone23 said:
I don't think their playoff ceiling is low. Based on your numbers I would say the ceiling is high and the floor is low. Could rip off a hot stretch and win the whole thing or get swept in the first round.

Another reason to get a top 2 seed.
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Playoff baseball is different.

Until the Cubs have a couple stud 95mph+ arms in the rotation and the bulk of leverage relievers are 98+, the ceiling will be there.

Velocity can cover a lot of location mistakes that 92mph can't.
 
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isucy86 said:
Playoff baseball is different.

Until the Cubs have a couple stud 95mph+ arms in the rotation and the bulk of leverage relievers are 98+, the ceiling will be there.

Velocity can cover a lot of location mistakes that 92mph can't.
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Ahh I see what you were getting at. Personally, I think the jury is still out on this teams ceiling, but losing a guy like Horton definitely hurts.
 
RivClone23 said:
How is it beside the point? He got a ground ball. All are not created equal (sometimes you get unlucky), but he got what he was supposed to get. Yes, it would have been a tough play, but I expect my gold glove 2nd baseman to make it. According to statcast it was the softest hit ball of the day. Stuff happens.

It was the bottom of the order and I think he stays in if the play is made.

Sure clean innings are cool, but I'll take my shot with the guy an ERA under 3 than Phil Maton any day.
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It’s beside the point because when a pitcher knows he has one left he tends to try and drain the tank but that situation seems to repeatedly turn out as a base runner. Regardless of how it worked for Shota we saw what it did for the reliever.

Craig just pat him on the back and tell him we got this. That cheap base hit turned out to be Shota’s second earned run and a four run inning. Don’t know how it would of turned out if we went a new direction but I’m reasonably sure it wouldn’t of been worse
 
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