What % of your takehome pay are you spending on living expenses?

In an attempt to reel this back into topic and away from the "Do you need a Degree thread" I will go percentages:

I crunch these numbers all the time. I am blessed that my wife is a stay at home mother / homemaker to our (3) children. In order for us to pull this all off, we analyze and review the numbers often. Probably monthly, possibly every other month.

Demographic for consideration: 3 teenage sons, (5) active vehicles. Our house is 100% Electric (minus gas fireplace).

Salary - 29% Payroll deductions: fica, mica, FAMILY health insurance, dental, 401K contributions.

The percentages going forward now will be based on AFTER payroll deduction income.

21% - Debt Repayment
05% - Phones & Internet
04% - Electric Bill
14% - Gasoline
10% - Savings

So by percentages our LIVING EXPENSES would be calculated to be 17%.

Groceries are by FAR a large portion of our living expenses. Again, reference to that whole 3 teenage boys thing.

I fully expect most comments on this will be targeting our gasoline. This by far is the conversation my wife and I have every single month. It is truly amazing how much gas (5) vehicles can go through for a family who lives 10 miles out of town (away from school) constantly coming and going.

Our interesting tidbit is each payday we sweep what is ever left over in our checking account to a savings account, then proceed to start over with the fresh payroll deposit. That typical sweep is how I came up with the 10%.
With the house being all electric and the gas bills any thought of going solar with an electric car? Not great for everyone or every area but just wondering
 
With the house being all electric and the gas bills any thought of going solar with an electric car? Not great for everyone or every area but just wondering
We've quoted solar several times but it mathematically does not make sense. With the amount of electricity we use coupled with we live in a wooded area, the amount of panels we would need and the cost associated with those panels we are looking at an 18 year breakeven. In 5 years- our family of 5 will be a family of 2 and consume a significant amount less electricity. In other words if I take the check I would write for solar and divide that into a monthly amount.......I can buy a lot of electricity with that amount.

Everyone says I need to go solar.......the problem with Solar is.....the math aint mathin.
 
We've quoted solar several times but it mathematically does not make sense. With the amount of electricity we use coupled with we live in a wooded area, the amount of panels we would need and the cost associated with those panels we are looking at an 18 year breakeven. In 5 years- our family of 5 will be a family of 2 and consume a significant amount less electricity. In other words if I take the check I would write for solar and divide that into a monthly amount.......I can buy a lot of electricity with that amount.

Everyone says I need to go solar.......the problem with Solar is.....the math aint mathin.
We get a ton of sun on the back of our house. Would be great to harness that, but Im not confident we will be in our house long enough to make that investment worth it.
 
We've quoted solar several times but it mathematically does not make sense. With the amount of electricity we use coupled with we live in a wooded area, the amount of panels we would need and the cost associated with those panels we are looking at an 18 year breakeven. In 5 years- our family of 5 will be a family of 2 and consume a significant amount less electricity. In other words if I take the check I would write for solar and divide that into a monthly amount.......I can buy a lot of electricity with that amount.

Everyone says I need to go solar.......the problem with Solar is.....the math aint mathin.

Probably depends on the electricity cost where you live as well.
 
And if your electric company buys back the unused kWh. If not, you need to get batteries and those are super expensive to make it worth it.
Yeah. Net metering was a prereq for us to do it. We have produced 98 and 99% of our energy usage the last two years and have saved over $2000 annually compared to our pre-solar electric bill. Electric rates have shot up the last few years here with massive approved rate hikes via the state (NY). So my savings are actually greater the comparison to pre-solar rates.
 
  • Like
Reactions: burn587
Yeah. Net metering was a prereq for us to do it. We have produced 98 and 99% of our energy usage the last two years and have saved over $2000 annually compared to our pre-solar electric bill. Electric rates have shot up the last few years here with massive approved rate hikes via the state (NY). So my savings are actually greater the comparison to pre-solar rates.

If you don’t mind me asking, approximately how long until you are at a net positive on the solar?
 
We've quoted solar several times but it mathematically does not make sense. With the amount of electricity we use coupled with we live in a wooded area, the amount of panels we would need and the cost associated with those panels we are looking at an 18 year breakeven. In 5 years- our family of 5 will be a family of 2 and consume a significant amount less electricity. In other words if I take the check I would write for solar and divide that into a monthly amount.......I can buy a lot of electricity with that amount.

Everyone says I need to go solar.......the problem with Solar is.....the math aint mathin.

Want a big tax refund, just say you bought a solar project. All you need to do is put the "price" you paid for the project. No other information. It's quite stupid, you need more information to claim the $600 energy efficient furnace credit than a credit that gives you 30% of the cost project.
 
In an attempt to reel this back into topic and away from the "Do you need a Degree thread" I will go percentages:

I crunch these numbers all the time. I am blessed that my wife is a stay at home mother / homemaker to our (3) children. In order for us to pull this all off, we analyze and review the numbers often. Probably monthly, possibly every other month.

Demographic for consideration: 3 teenage sons, (5) active vehicles. Our house is 100% Electric (minus gas fireplace).

Salary - 29% Payroll deductions: fica, mica, FAMILY health insurance, dental, 401K contributions.

The percentages going forward now will be based on AFTER payroll deduction income.

21% - Debt Repayment
05% - Phones & Internet
04% - Electric Bill
14% - Gasoline
10% - Savings

So by percentages our LIVING EXPENSES would be calculated to be 17%.

Groceries are by FAR a large portion of our living expenses. Again, reference to that whole 3 teenage boys thing.

I fully expect most comments on this will be targeting our gasoline. This by far is the conversation my wife and I have every single month. It is truly amazing how much gas (5) vehicles can go through for a family who lives 10 miles out of town (away from school) constantly coming and going.

Our interesting tidbit is each payday we sweep what is ever left over in our checking account to a savings account, then proceed to start over with the fresh payroll deposit. That typical sweep is how I came up with the 10%.
When I was single, I would have money budgeted for savings and if I had a month that went over budget for some reason, I cut back on the next month/s until I was back in the black for the behind month on.

When I got married, it was a disaster. Married someone from a family that had no money know how and just spent and let me deal with it. Thankfully I could always pick up extra jobs or cut my expenses to cover the issues.
 
  • Creative
Reactions: isufbcurt
If you don’t mind me asking, approximately how long until you are at a net positive on the solar?
With known rate increases over the next few years and holding that rate (obviously it will go up but I’m just holding it with what’s known), we will be net positive after about 10 years. We paid off our 15 year loan off in 2.5 so we avoided a bunch of interest as well even though it was only at 3.5%.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AllInForISU
We've quoted solar several times but it mathematically does not make sense. With the amount of electricity we use coupled with we live in a wooded area, the amount of panels we would need and the cost associated with those panels we are looking at an 18 year breakeven. In 5 years- our family of 5 will be a family of 2 and consume a significant amount less electricity. In other words if I take the check I would write for solar and divide that into a monthly amount.......I can buy a lot of electricity with that amount.

Everyone says I need to go solar.......the problem with Solar is.....the math aint mathin.
I put up solar at a farm site with livestock. If it wasn’t for all the tax credits and grants, I would have lost money on the project. Right now the panels are far from what they quoted for production so I’m probably a 10-12 year payback after about 70% grants and tax credits. Electric is from a co-op some I’m around 10 cents a kW.
 
We've quoted solar several times but it mathematically does not make sense. With the amount of electricity we use coupled with we live in a wooded area, the amount of panels we would need and the cost associated with those panels we are looking at an 18 year breakeven. In 5 years- our family of 5 will be a family of 2 and consume a significant amount less electricity. In other words if I take the check I would write for solar and divide that into a monthly amount.......I can buy a lot of electricity with that amount.

Everyone says I need to go solar.......the problem with Solar is.....the math aint mathin.
Don't forget you'd have to calculate how old your roof is too.
 
Now that we figured out what a degree is, let's go back to the discussion of discrimination against single, childless people and the single's tax that is prevalent across society.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: aobie and Cyclone06
Want a big tax refund, just say you bought a solar project. All you need to do is put the "price" you paid for the project. No other information. It's quite stupid, you need more information to claim the $600 energy efficient furnace credit than a credit that gives you 30% of the cost project.
You couldn’t have posted this prior to 4/15?
 
I think the key to financial happiness for my wife and I has been maintaining a modest lifestyle. We've lived in the same house and worked for the same employers for 40 years.

While many of our friends moved into bigger and more expensive homes a couple of times over the decades, we chose to invest in our original home and pay it off ASAP so we could afford to put three kids through college.

We've recently retired, we live very comfortably, and we're in a position where we can help our adult kids financially while they're trying to get started on their own.

I also know we've been incredibly blessed, so I don't take that for granted.
 
No I bought used. 55,000 miles. 2022 Ram. Base model besides 4x4. $29,300 after I talked them down. I know it's hard to believe but yes things are expensive. More than most can afford just looking at median data.
See and I paid $32k for a brand new '17 Express trim quad 4x4 hemi. And now they want $50k for one with the old V6? That's ridiculous.
 
An amendment without need of proof on the amount sounds like begging for an audit lol.

Not really, an amendment is not a red flag, people file amendments for all sorts of reasons. And something that doesn't need proof, like the solar panel credit, in the first place isn't a red flag.

For example, last year I did an amendment in July for a client that forgot to give the information for his solar panels to me when i did his original return. So I did I added the amount he paid for the solar panels and filed it, resulting in an additional refund to what he was already paid.

And the likelihood of an audit is so low anyways. You have to do something pretty outrageous to get audited.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BWRhasnoAC
See and I paid $32k for a brand new '17 Express trim quad 4x4 hemi. And now they want $50k for one with the old V6? That's ridiculous.
$32k invested in an S&P500 index in 2017 would be about $112,000 today ... just sayin.