JJeff Injury Updates

[danvillecyclone]

Don’t call me that because I’m trying to understand your comment and you’re upset you got corrected. A sprain is structural damage. We already know there is structural damage.

Structural damage which would deem him “not medically cleared to play”

Fracture
Ligament tears (partial or full thickness)

Evaluating evidence of grade of sprain which can help determine path of rehab.

All of this had to wait because of diffuse swelling. It’s better to use MRI when most of the diffuse swelling is gone to determine precise signal intensities showing abnormal findings.

So yeah, looking for structural damage.

Hope this helps!!!

Enjoy your day!

 

[APCguy13]

Sprain, strain and tear are all levels of the same thing. Just progressively larger amounts of damage. Generally structural damage is something that is going to need surgical intervention or at least surgery considered. You would never consider surgery for a strain or sprain.

I’m not sure that’s entirely correct. A sprain specifically refers to damage to ligaments, and a strain refers to damage to muscle/tendons. Damage to ligaments are typically more difficult to recover from.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Sprain, strain and tear are all levels of the same thing. Just progressively larger amounts of damage. Generally structural damage is something that is going to need surgical intervention or at least surgery considered. You would never consider surgery for a strain or sprain.

I'm not a doctor. I would defer to our Spartan friend on this. I am just sharing what I have picked up over the years.

Kinda right.

So main difference between a strain vs a sprain is going to come down to if it’s impacting a tendon or a ligament.

A grade 3 sprain is a complete tear, still a sprain but at that point usually surgery is recommended for athletes so you would have surgery for a sprain but when talking to the public we use terms like tear instead to avoid confusion which is why some people think they are different things.

There is also a rupture which is technically a grade 3 strain but is also used to describe a full tendon tear as well

 

[VeloClone]

I’m not sure that’s entirely correct. A sprain specifically refers to damage to ligaments, and a strain refers to damage to muscle/tendons. Damage to ligaments are typically more difficult to recover from.

Fair enough, but they are both levels of micro tearing of the tissue that don't usually rise to the level of what we would refer to as a tear of the tissue.

 

[1SEIACLONE]

Sprain, strain and tear are all levels of the same thing. Just progressively larger amounts of damage. Generally structural damage is something that is going to need surgical intervention or at least surgery considered. You would never consider surgery for a strain or sprain.

I'm not a doctor. I would defer to our Spartan friend on this. I am just sharing what I have picked up over the years.

Only way he would have surgery would be if the tendons or ligaments have torn away from the the muscle or bone and they have to go back and reattach them. It would be rare for that type of injury to occur just by coming down wrong and rolling your ankle. You see that type of injury when the ankle itself is being held in place and then the person twists and pulls them away from the bone and muscle.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

I’m not sure that’s entirely correct. A sprain specifically refers to damage to ligaments, and a strain refers to damage to muscle/tendons. Damage to ligaments are typically more difficult to recover from.

Correct mainly due to the blood supply differences, unless it’s an achilles which is no fun

 

[VeloClone]

Correct mainly due to the blood supply differences, unless it’s an achilles which is no fun

Friendly Spartan says that JJeff has a complete rupture of his Achilles and will never have fun again..

You heard it here first...

 

[CysEyesVet]

Hope for the best (he plays), plan for the worst (he doesn't play).

At least if he doesn't play it's more time to rest and get him closer to 100% and plus the guys have found different ways to dissect opponents!

 

[Big_Sill]

Stop trying to understand the medical nature and recovery of an injury that nobody on this board (medical training or not) has any actual information about.

 

[danvillecyclone]

Friendly Spartan says that JJeff has a complete rupture of his Achilles and will never have fun again..

You heard it here first...

That would be a self-serving diagnosis

Name checks out

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Friendly Spartan says that JJeff has a complete rupture of his Achilles and will never have fun again..

You heard it here first...

Don’t put that evil juju on me lol

 

[isufbcurt]

Maybe? I don't know, that's why I was asking. Seems like it popped up last week. I'd never heard our media call him that, and Brend and CW both made multiple "JJeff" references on pods this week.

TJ has said it numerous times in The last two years.

 

[AuH2O]

We’ve had two unicorns in Monte Morris and Tamin Lipsey.

To touch and distribute the ball as much as they did and do, the low amount of turnovers are astounding.

When looking at Braden Smith and Bobby Hurley, the top two assist leaders in NCAA history, they are also two of the higher Turnover leaders in NCAA history.

Joshua touches the ball on possessions at a very high clip. Just a guess, but I would say his turnover per touch is average or lower than average than his peers.

Even moreso than distributing PGs, guys expected to score beyond catch and shoot are going to be high turnover guys. Niang was around 2.5 TO/g every year. More TOs probably happen driving to score vs. passing, or at least it's similar.

When you consider a guy scoring and assisting at the level Jefferson is, he's going to turn it over a lot. That's just the nature of the beast.

 

[CoachHines3]

Jefferson is in good hands. @CoachHines3 mom is with him.

the massage therapy is first class

 

[danvillecyclone]

Even moreso than distributing PGs, guys expected to score beyond catch and shoot are going to be high turnover guys. Niang was around 2.5 TO/g every year. More TOs probably happen driving to score vs. passing, or at least it's similar.

When you consider a guy scoring and assisting at the level Jefferson is, he's going to turn it over a lot. That's just the nature of the beast.

Yepp.

That’s why I said I bet for the amount he touches the ball, all over the place, he would have a lower turnover rate per touch than his peers (other NCAA forwards)

 

[istater7]

Where did this "JJeff" come from? Hadn't heard anyone call him that all year, and CW dropped it a handful of times on 2 Guys like he's part of the squad.

Eric Heft has been using it all year

 

[Jakester]

Eric Heft has been using it all year

That is where I've heard it the most.

 

[iowastatefan1929]

I know the premium board knows something.

 

[CloneLawman]

I know the premium board knows sosomething.

That would be true.

 

[demoncore1031]

I feel like I need to preface this with I think Iowa State is much better with a locked in JJeff. He is an all American for a reason.

I will say, as far as the turnovers go, it hasn’t been that he turns it over, it’s how he turns it over. Having some awareness of the double on the backdown and he probably cuts his turnovers in half, or more. All turnovers are not created equal, like it or not. Getting the ball stolen off the dribble and creating a live ball turnover, is viewed as worse than throwing a pass away.

And that is partially on coaching as well. There were quite a few games where Jefferson was turning the ball over a lot and no adjustments were made.