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Hallice Cooke on Prohm

NWICY said:
Shoot last I heard they built a new house down in Ky from his ISU money, if I was him I'd coach my kids grade school teams and chase Katie around the house she was pretty cute if I remember right.
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Not at all inferring that this applies here, But chasing somebody around because they’re cute. It’s not always the right thing.IMG_0041.jpeg
 
Prohm was beyond a turd. All he had was a roster full nba talent given to him. I’d rather sit through a Jim Walden vs Duncan football game than one of Prohm’s coached basketball teams.
 
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awd4cy said:
A solid recruiter doesn’t miss on as many recruits as he did. He also recruited the worst roster I’ve ever seen at Iowa State.
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The fall off at the end was bad and I wonder if he mailed it in.

He did get good guards though, just didn't seem to know what to do with them.
 
xboxfever said:
I knew Prohm was going to be a failure in his introductory press conference. It’s been over a decade now, so I don’t remember the specifics of what he said exactly, but he essentially made it sound like he wasn’t going to change anything and let the players be in control. What that team needed was someone to bring just a little bit of defense and discipline and they would have been a national title contender. That team had 6(!) guys who would go on to play in the NBA, they were all upperclassmen, and the seventh man in the rotation was the reigning Big 12 defensive player of the year. You won’t find another team that had that much upperclassmen talent that did nothing. He should have been fired after year one. You had to be one pathetic coach to finish with the record that team did.

And he still had people defending him all the way up to the day he was fired. His biggest supporter on here was a poster named “Cat Steven’s” who coincidentally disappeared from posting right after he was fired. Had to be a relative or close friend of Prohms.
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Yeah, in that initial press conference he was just so awkward. And that never changed.
 
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bluestarcyclone said:
He got banned at some point back in 2021 it looks like. I think he mightve had some alts though
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Cat Stevens and Macloney went to war for Prohm. They both were more mad about us talking about the possibility of firing Prohm that season than some people initially were about hiring TJ.
 
CascadeClone said:
No one is rougher on CSP than me. But that intro press conference i think he NEEDED to say players would have a big say, everyone was worried guys would leave. So it was kind of required at that time.
Now, he didnt coach worth a damn anyway, totally out of his depth.

Also, i want to say Cat Stevens poster might have died irl. Not sure but i seem to remember that.
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I don't know anything about Cat Steven's, but your first paragraph I completely agree with. Jamie needed to hire someone who wasn't going to come in and rock the boat to the point you lose cornerstone pieces of the program like Matt, Naz, Monte, and Georges. You didn't want to lose the important auxiliary pieces either, and he just about did run off McKay anyway. Sounds looks Cooke had a legitimate beef with him too. I can't help but think Cooke was a little hampered by an injury and or debilitating medical condition though, and I'm not sure retaining him for his senior year would have changed much considering his lack of impact on a mid major roster after he left.

If you brought in a coach that was going to try and bring in his own culture and a new identity, you would have had guys leaving. Prohm may or may not have been the right coach at that moment in history, but someone bland and player friendly was definitely the right move. One might say or think that TJ also wouldn't have rocked the boat for those existing players that he helped recruit to Iowa State, but I also think it was probably to his benefit to have those other coaching experiences that he was able to get
 
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jcisuclones said:
Cat Stevens and Macloney went to war for Prohm. They both were more mad about us talking about the possibility of firing Prohm that season than some people initially were about hiring TJ.
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Imagine how braindead you have to be to stick up for a guy after taking us 2-22.
 
swessball said:
I’m not gonna defend the guy, but there’s some revisionist history about that 2015-16 team. The top end talent was clearly there, but that team had no depth, especially once Naz went down. It was essentially a 6-man rotation where 6’4” Burton was asked to play as the 5-man to spell McKay.
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Correct and Prohm was put in a tough spot starting a bit late to recruit or hit the portal for new guys that first season
 
bluestarcyclone said:
I find it interesting he was saying they all asked for it when it seems like Hallice would have barely known TJ. Hallice redshirted here in 2014-15 when TJ was still at washington, and TJ only was announced as returning a couple months before Fred left. He was here as an assistant when he stuck around for Prohm's first year (when Hallice was suspended).
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He would have been talking to all of his new teammates who did know TJ
 
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awd4cy said:
A solid recruiter doesn’t miss on as many recruits as he did. He also recruited the worst roster I’ve ever seen at Iowa State.
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Problem with his recruits is they were either home runs or strike outs. Not many singles or doubles, aka role players or usable depth with promising upside. And then most of his home runs were gone before their eligibility ran out
 
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CYdTracked said:
Dont see a reason to pick at a scab with where the program is at now. I've said it many times before here and I still stand by it: TJ is a better coach today because he went and got head coaching expirience at smaller programs first. There is no guarantee he would have had this kind of success had he been hired over Prohm and its not like his UNLV team was setting the world on fire either when we hired him. He got to make his mistakes and learn on the job at smaller schools before he took a power conference HC job and I think that is why hes had the success hes had here.
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Yea a lot of coaches fail their first times as head coaches and then succeed after they have had a chance to reflect on what worked and what didn’t .
 
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The one Cooke tweet in the OP had this one next in the thread. Seems pretty straightforward why he was suspended and didn't travel. He didn't do his punishment, while Simeon Carter did.




That team is definitely a "what if," but I agree with others that there would be some limitations regardless of the coach. Tough to fill out a roster when getting hired in June, and the Naz injury and surgery hampered depth even more.

I always laugh a bit when people freak out about Jefferson or Lipsey's minutes this year. I know this team is at a different level of intensity, so it makes some sense, but the 15/16 had 4 players all averaging more minutes in conference play than Lipsey this year, and McKay was the only usual starter on that team who averaged less than 30 minutes in conference play (at 29.9). It is just very revealing about how limited the 15/16 team's depth was.
  • Morris: 39.9 MPG in conference play
  • Thomas: 36.6
  • Niang: 34.2
  • Jefferson: 33.2
  • Nader: 32.9
  • Lipsey: 32.1
  • Momcilovic: 31.3
  • McKay: 29.9
 
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Who knows if this is how it really happened, but I remember being surprised by this quote
When Pollard asked whom he should consider as his replacement, Hoiberg responded with two words: Steve Prohm.

“The first person out of his mouth was Steve Prohm, and Fred said the reason was that, ‘He runs everything that I run. I’ve met him, (and) he’s a man of character,’ ” Pollard said. “That did not mean Steve Prohm was getting the job. I did not meet Steve Prohm until (last) Sunday morning for the first time.”
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www.nbcsports.com

Assigned Reading: How Iowa State settled on Steve Prohm as its new head coach

Fred Hoiberg endorsed Steve Prohm during a conversation with his former athletic director.
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Was Prohm really Hoiberg's top choice to replace him, over TJ?
 
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