I am in watching and learning mode. Don't really need an auto right now, Das Audi is 11 this year but only has 45K on it and it has new all-season booties so good to go for a bit.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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I am in watching and learning mode. Don't really need an auto right now, Das Audi is 11 this year but only has 45K on it and it has new all-season booties so good to go for a bit.
Been doing some more thinking lately and with my son now 11 it may be the best option to drive my current VW Passat until he needs a car, hand it off to him and get myself something I want. Rivian is at the top of my list but who knows what the market will look like in 4-5 years.
I would love to switch to all electric, but I find it hard to until they solve the range issue with cold weather. I have a co-worker that switched but later switched to hybrid(EV/ICE) because winter just zapped his battery too much in the winter. He loved his EV, but he needed something that didn't give him range anxiety when driving up in northern Minnesota.
Actually box’s situation brings up a question. Good battery health general seems to be maintained by routinely using it to a lower % and then charging it. If someone rarely drops the battery under 80% and leaves it plugged in, is that rough on the battery and shorten its life?Back on topic, I again have not purchased an EV today. Not particularity meaningful since the last vehicle purchase was spring 2016.Every ten years or so is my average do need to get up to speed more and this thread is pretty useful for that.
Got to get an electrician out at some point since house needs a good charging line to the garage and maybe a generator setup for emergency power. "New" box setup when I remodeled in 2002 is full.
You can set the EV to only charge to a certain percentage even when it's still plugged in
I keep telling myself my next car is going to be PHEV. I could do BEV now with minor inconvenience. No rush on either as I have a relatively new ICE car now and don't drive all that much overall. I drive a CX-5 now and something like the CX-90 PHEV looks awfully appealing if I did decide to change.
As @cycloneG notes it can all be managed via an app. So you can plug it in every night or whatever you feel and just have it set to go to 80% and go into maintenance mode from there. Wanna leave for a trip where you want/need more range. Put it up to 100%.
If you get a PHEV, you'll know within a few months if you want your next car to be an EV.
That's how it was for me, I suspected I'd like it, but when I started stretching out a tank of gas over 2 months vs a week I was positive I'd prefer to just exclusively fueling at home other than 5-6 road trips a year.
The 26 miles electric range that model gets will give you a surprising amount of distance if you plug in most nights and even with a level 1 charger you can charge it multiple times a day sometimes to make it more like 50 on certain days. I'm not sure I ever charged my PHEV 3 times in a day. That's the same electric range my previous PHEV had.
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Using that data, the Fraunhofer Institute could determine how much of that energy came from charging when plugged in. It found that less than a third of 1 million PHEVs in Germany plugged in either occasionally or not at all.
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Plug-in hybrid vehicles are rarely charged, according to a new study. Why are automakers still producing them?
Using that data, the Fraunhofer Institute could determine how much of that energy came from charging when plugged in. It found that less than a third of 1 million PHEVs in Germany plugged in either occasionally or not at all.
Any study should really focus on people who have their own easy place at home to charge...because yeah for a street parker a PHEV makes no sense.
Then there's also someone's gas price vs electricity. On the west coast and almost every foreign country (excluding nations where entire economy is oil) with $4-8/gallon gas...that's a huge cost incentive to constantly plug in. Possibly saving $50-200 a month. For somebody in Iowa with fuel subsidies and gas only $2...yeah maybe they just shrug and don't actually plug in because the fuel cost is a wash more or less. For me with typical $5 gas I almost never forgot to plug it in when I got home.
I disagree with that. If people aren’t going to charge them, then we’re wasting resources producing the phevs that aren’t being charged.
Porsche owners not charging is furrier evidence it’s not just street parking. And you can ban people from buying them if they street park.
My dealer told me 3 months (but who knows if he was an expert) which is about the max I ever went without getting gas. On my model, even if I was fully charged, when I went over 40mph it went into hybrid mode using some gas. So the only way I'd have had that gas in there forever was avoiding highway driving.
I could see an example of someone who never leaves their city neighborhood where it came into play, but I also think they could adjust by only getting like a 1/3 or 1/2 tank when they fill up.
Stabil (and all similar gas additives) are snake oil. Google/YouTube for the experiments.
Does it not track that with software? Jeeps have what’s called FORM. Fuel refresh mode.
So it’s not harmful to them to sit for a month and only maybe be driven down to 75% and then charged up to 80% once or twice in that period?
Using no ethanol you are fine for 6 months. Small engines I’ve had, boats, pickups that sat in a shed for winter have not missed a beat without stabil
I wouldn't say harmful. Not ideal. They will also slowly lose their charge as well.
The slowly losing charge is kind of my point. With any batteries I’ve owned and they’ve obviously not been as technologically advanced as a Tesla or these other car batteries, the small drains and recharges or letting them drain down on their own and sitting can pretty much hammer them.
I'm talking about the discrepancy in studies mostly (I've seen practically nobody uses it and I was a unicorn to 2/3 of people use it).
Street parkers should definitely know PHEV is pointless for them and you're probably right that filthy rich people probably don't care about it as much unless they are environmentalists.
Relevant questions to me:
- Among people with their own private charging how often do they use the feature?
- Among people with their own parking and sub $3 gas how often do they use the feature? (people who aren't saving much money)
- Among people with over $4 gas how often do they use it? (people who are saving a lot of money)
I'm very skeptical a middle class person with their own garage in California with $5/gallon gas is going to pay an extra $2-3000 for the PHEV model, and then chose to never use it and pay an extra $1000-1500 more on fuel a year and visit gas stations 3x more frequently for fun. Situationally I think consumers would be over the moon happy to use it and never forget, I can't be that rare of a person.
For me I would consider a PHEV again only because I know with my habbits it can be nearly an EV but with range of an ICE on roadtrips. I would likely not again consider just a hybrid after getting used to an EV.
