THE AI Thread

[Pitt_Clone]

This idea of training AI to do someone's job and then firing the people who trained it is really at the root of the problem I have with AI and it's lack of regulation. When you ask it to write a story or create a summary, how does it know what good writing looks like? Or creating fake movie trailers or videos, how does it know what it should look like? Or getting recommendations on how to do any task, how does it know the best solution? It's all from being trained on content created by people. It's plagiarism on a massive, massive scale, and the people whose content is being stolen are getting nothing. Or they're getting worse than nothing like the loss of their livelihood. And yes it is stolen content, there's no way around that.

It's gotten so far out ahead of the legislation in this country that there is no regulation around it, and the regulation is even being fought against by some people. Honestly I believe creating things like a deep fake video or image that shows a real living person saying or doing something they never did should be illegal. But we're so far past things like that I'm not sure how you would ever reign it in.

 

[cowgirl836]

This idea of training AI to do someone's job and then firing the people who trained it is really at the root of the problem I have with AI and it's lack of regulation. When you ask it to write a story or create a summary, how does it know what good writing looks like? Or creating fake movie trailers or videos, how does it know what it should look like? Or getting recommendations on how to do any task, how does it know the best solution? It's all from being trained on content created by people. It's plagiarism on a massive, massive scale, and the people whose content is being stolen are getting nothing. Or they're getting worse than nothing like the loss of their livelihood. And yes it is stolen content, there's no way around that.

It's gotten so far out ahead of the legislation in this country that there is no regulation around it, and the regulation is even being fought against by some people. Honestly I believe creating things like a deep fake video or image that shows a real living person saying or doing something they never did should be illegal. But we're so far past things like that I'm now sure how you would ever reign it in.

If you are a woman candidate, expect to have it used to create imagery or video of you. The deep fake stuff is already weaponized against girls and women and law is so far behind.

 

[pourcyne]

Doink was a reference to a kicker in football hitting the upright and missing the field goal. Not a name call.

Thank you. I thought it was the clown from WWF.

I can only hope we prepare for AI as much as we did for y2k.

I'm not sure we did anything to prepare for Y2K. I know I didn't. What was there to do?

What is it you’re predicting to happen exactly? AI doesn’t pan out at all?

I'm saying that it will be (as it is now) a useful tool like so many of the other inventions, if we humans are smart about it.

For example, when I was a kid in trig class, we had one calculator. It was in the math room about the size of an HP ink jet printer today. If we wanted to check our calculations, we had to go to the back and get in line. This was also way before graphing calculators. (damn) Had similar issues when I took Math of Finance in college...had to go to the AV Center and wait for one to be free before I could check my work. I finally gave up trying to find out whether or not I had calculated balloon payments or some other somesuch correctly, went to the registrar's office and switched the course to Pass-Fail so it wouldn't ruin my gradepoint...as if that GP ever mattered in anything important that's happened to me in my adult life. Go figure. (ha) Imagine how far I could have gone if I had had today's tools!

You may have noticed that I corrected somebody's English further up this thread. It was to prove a point that AI works as a fabulous editor (as someone else pointed out also upthread) and help people to communicate more precisely. That's a win.

Will AI get out of control? Maybe...but we then need to define out of control. Humans still know how to fix problems. I'm thinking specifically of Europe where there was too much traffic, so some of the "main drags" in Belgium, for example, became pedestrian only. That caused other problems...and they were solved. The last time I took a cab from the Marriott in Brussels to Zaventem airport, the driver had a little doo-hickey in his car that electronically lowered the street barriers on the pedestrian thoroughfare so that he could drive through. Mazette! (as they say in French)

If I can give another example (before people doze off), the card catalog...I learned to use it and did use it as late as the 90's when I was doing post-grad work. Now, there are no card catalogs. But you know what? Those skills allow me to get faster results when I'm looking for info online (which didn't exist either when I was a young pup).

Will AI allow other countries to take over the world? Nah. We will surely nuke each other or poison ourselves with bad water and air before that happens. (only slightly kidding)

But, let's say it does. I just don't plan to end as badly as Joel in "The Last of Us".

Now: back to you. What precisely do you think will happen and how could people solve the problems that you think will arise? What benefits will move us forward? That would be a good area to focus on.

 

[pourcyne]

I'm saying that politically and that means inter continental politics and economic pressures are becoming so intertwined that its a house of cards. Debt is beyond control, currencies are being converted to a digital format to circumvent the current system which is a system that holds much of the worlds economy captive to the dollar. This is a race to making God. Whoever wins, takes it all. If it fails the old system will crash and it will be a big one.

Interesting.

Personally, I think man has been racing to God ever since the Tower of Babel, if not before.

And you see how that ended.

Also, trying to think how many old systems have crashed throughout the history of mankind, and yet, we're all still here.

Food for thought.

And thank you for your serious answers. I appreciate them.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Interesting.

Personally, I think man has been racing to God ever since the Tower of Babel, if not before.

And you see how that ended.

Also, trying to think how many old systems have crashed throughout the history of mankind, and yet, we're all still here.

Food for thought.

And thank you for your serious answers. I appreciate them.

This is our Manhattan Project our Moon race etc. To me AI is the artificial general intelligence we seek. Mastery and integration of quantum physics into AGI is super intelligence. The motivations for this are all the typical follies of man.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

Thank you. I thought it was the clown from WWF.



I'm not sure we did anything to prepare for Y2K. I know I didn't. What was there to do?



I'm saying that it will be (as it is now) a useful tool like so many of the other inventions, if we humans are smart about it.

For example, when I was a kid in trig class, we had one calculator. It was in the math room about the size of an HP ink jet printer today. If we wanted to check our calculations, we had to go to the back and get in line. This was also way before graphing calculators. (damn) Had similar issues when I took Math of Finance in college...had to go to the AV Center and wait for one to be free before I could check my work. I finally gave up trying to find out whether or not I had calculated balloon payments or some other somesuch correctly, went to the registrar's office and switched the course to Pass-Fail so it wouldn't ruin my gradepoint...as if that GP ever mattered in anything important that's happened to me in my adult life. Go figure. (ha) Imagine how far I could have gone if I had had today's tools!

You may have noticed that I corrected somebody's English further up this thread. It was to prove a point that AI works as a fabulous editor (as someone else pointed out also upthread) and help people to communicate more precisely. That's a win.

Will AI get out of control? Maybe...but we then need to define out of control. Humans still know how to fix problems. I'm thinking specifically of Europe where there was too much traffic, so some of the "main drags" in Belgium, for example, became pedestrian only. That caused other problems...and they were solved. The last time I took a cab from the Marriott in Brussels to Zaventem airport, the driver had a little doo-hickey in his car that electronically lowered the street barriers on the pedestrian thoroughfare so that he could drive through. Mazette! (as they say in French)

If I can give another example (before people doze off), the card catalog...I learned to use it and did use it as late as the 90's when I was doing post-grad work. Now, there are no card catalogs. But you know what? Those skills allow me to get faster results when I'm looking for info online (which didn't exist either when I was a young pup).

Will AI allow other countries to take over the world? Nah. We will surely nuke each other or poison ourselves with bad water and air before that happens. (only slightly kidding)

But, let's say it does. I just don't plan to end as badly as Joel in "The Last of Us".

Now: back to you. What precisely do you think will happen and how could people solve the problems that you think will arise? What benefits will move us forward? That would be a good area to focus on.

Comparing AI to a calculator or card catalog is like comparing a piece of paper with the word “bang” on it to a nuclear weapon.

Will some good come from AI? I’m sure if will short term even if it’s just entertainment or making life easier in some areas like translation. The problem is that AI is going to cause job losses on an unprecedented scale in almost every area of society. That’s what I think you might be missing now that I understand your passion better. It’s not just one area or profession, it’s practically everything.

Again to be clear I’m not necessarily saying that AI is going full sky net, but I am saying that it’s going to cause unemployment on a catastrophic scale and we have nothing in place or projected to deal with that.

 

[simply1]

I'm not sure we did anything to prepare for Y2K. I know I didn't. What was there to do?

Billions were spent making code changes. There’s still code running out there specifically to handle date calculation. You could argue that some areas could have waited for things to break and then fixed them, but that was a bit of an unknown and where the fear came from.

I'm saying that it will be (as it is now) a useful tool like so many of the other inventions, if we humans are smart about it.

For example, when I was a kid in trig class, we had one calculator. It was in the math room about the size of an HP ink jet printer today. If we wanted to check our calculations, we had to go to the back and get in line. This was also way before graphing calculators. (damn) Had similar issues when I took Math of Finance in college...had to go to the AV Center and wait for one to be free before I could check my work. I finally gave up trying to find out whether or not I had calculated balloon payments or some other somesuch correctly, went to the registrar's office and switched the course to Pass-Fail so it wouldn't ruin my gradepoint...as if that GP ever mattered in anything important that's happened to me in my adult life. Go figure. (ha) Imagine how far I could have gone if I had had today's tools!

You may have noticed that I corrected somebody's English further up this thread. It was to prove a point that AI works as a fabulous editor (as someone else pointed out also upthread) and help people to communicate more precisely. That's a win.

Will AI get out of control? Maybe...but we then need to define out of control. Humans still know how to fix problems. I'm thinking specifically of Europe where there was too much traffic, so some of the "main drags" in Belgium, for example, became pedestrian only. That caused other problems...and they were solved. The last time I took a cab from the Marriott in Brussels to Zaventem airport, the driver had a little doo-hickey in his car that electronically lowered the street barriers on the pedestrian thoroughfare so that he could drive through. Mazette! (as they say in French)

If I can give another example (before people doze off), the card catalog...I learned to use it and did use it as late as the 90's when I was doing post-grad work. Now, there are no card catalogs. But you know what? Those skills allow me to get faster results when I'm looking for info online (which didn't exist either when I was a young pup).

Will AI allow other countries to take over the world? Nah. We will surely nuke each other or poison ourselves with bad water and air before that happens. (only slightly kidding)

But, let's say it does. I just don't plan to end as badly as Joel in "The Last of Us".

Now: back to you. What precisely do you think will happen and how could people solve the problems that you think will arise? What benefits will move us forward? That would be a good area to focus on.

The thing that is different here is the intent is for AI to be able to learn any job, not just enhance employees. Completely replace. Combine it with robotics and you can see the potential.

It’s really a matter of whether AGI and ASI are possible. Will quantum computing be the key? Will some future innovation? The possibility that it’s never unlocked is becoming less likely.

Sam Altman paints the rosy picture of your interested in that.

How to deal with it is probably a cave topic.

 

[Pitt_Clone]

Billions were spent making code changes. There’s still code running out there specifically to handle date calculation. You could argue that some areas could have waited for things to break and then fixed them, but that was a bit of an unknown and where the fear came from.



The thing that is different here is the intent is for AI to be able to learn any job, not just enhance employees. Completely replace. Combine it with robotics and you can see the potential.

It’s really a matter of whether AGI and ASI are possible. Will quantum computing be the key? Will some future innovation? The possibility that it’s never unlocked is becoming less likely.

Sam Altman paints the rosy picture of your interested in that.

How to deal with it is probably a cave topic.

The combination of AI and quantum computing is frankly terrifying. Particularly without any regulation.

 

[3TrueFans]

I'm not sure we did anything to prepare for Y2K. I know I didn't. What was there to do?

Serious? The world spent billions of dollars and millions of man hours patching and updating before Y2K

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

The combination of AI and quantum computing is frankly terrifying. Particularly without any regulation.

Together they make a feedback loop of unfathomable ability. The stars might not be out of our reach any longer. The mysteries of existence, maybe even consciousness itself no longer beyond our grasp.

 

[KnappShack]

Together they make a feedback loop of unfathomable ability. The stars might not be out of our reach any longer. The mysteries of existence, maybe even consciousness itself no longer beyond our grasp.

Or certain death....

 

[NWICY]

That’s why chatting as well as handoff/sign out procedures are so important, big reason for medical errors if it’s not done correctly. Mostly happens during dept transfers/admits but can happen day to day as well.

One of many reasons you want you hospital stay to be as short as possible

My family is very fortunate that if someone ends up hospitalized we can usually keep someone in the room to keep a eye on things.They might not like us being there but someone to keep track of things for the patient and family i not a bad thing IMO.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Or certain death....

All things are certain to 'die'. We all march towards entropy or perhaps singularity. They may be one in the same.

 

[FriendlySpartan]

My family is very fortunate that if someone ends up hospitalized we can usually keep someone in the room to keep a eye on things.They might not like us being there but someone to keep track of things for the patient and family i not a bad thing IMO.

Advocating can be very important, it’s often not done correctly and often done to detrimental effect but it’s still important.

 

[besserheimerphat]

First off, 'sup with the name calling? Does that make you feel more correct in your own assessment?
Whaddya say we rename that "the Dumb-File Effect"?

In the meantime, maybe you're too young to remember Y2K?

Y2K, or the "Year 2000 bug," was a widespread fear that computer systems would crash or malfunction when transitioning from 1999 to 2000. Because early programmers used two digits (e.g., "99" for 1999) to save memory, it was feared that "00" would be interpreted as 1900, causing catastrophic failures in infrastructure, banking, and aviation.. [Google]

In the years leading up to the turn of the millennium, the public gradually became aware of the "Y2K scare", and individual companies predicted the global damage caused by the bug would require anything between $400 billion and $600 billion to rectify. A lack of clarity regarding the potential dangers of the bug led some to stock up on food, water, and firearms, purchase backup generators, and withdraw large sums of money in anticipation of a computer-induced apocalypse. [Wiki]

Ah, yes, I remember it well. Planes fell from the sky. People froze in their homes because their thermostats didn't work. No one got to watch Uncle Lar' take his guys to the Elite Eight.

No, wait...

Now, while it's true that I have more yesterdays than tomorrows, that's not a reason for anyone else to ignore history and not temper predictions with some common sense.

It would also be good to keep in mind that most people enjoy doom-and-gloom because it's hard-wired into our DNA.

Doesn't make the perceived threat real, though, does it?

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But its not like we just sat around and waited ti see what would happen.

 

[Erik4Cy]

Addy & Arianna transferred to WVU according to AI.

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

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Addy & Arianna transferred to WVU according to AI.

Right in this moment this is the worst AI will ever be. It will only get better and better. If you pay for AI, they're vastly better. It already blows my mind.

 

[besserheimerphat]

Comparing AI to a calculator or card catalog is like comparing a piece of paper with the word “bang” on it to a nuclear weapon.

Will some good come from AI? I’m sure if will short term even if it’s just entertainment or making life easier in some areas like translation. The problem is that AI is going to cause job losses on an unprecedented scale in almost every area of society. That’s what I think you might be missing now that I understand your passion better. It’s not just one area or profession, it’s practically everything.

Again to be clear I’m not necessarily saying that AI is going full sky net, but I am saying that it’s going to cause unemployment on a catastrophic scale and we have nothing in place or projected to deal with that.

Is that why you were so enthusiastic about the recent population decline news in another thread? Less people to be unemployed when AI takes over?

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Is that why you were so enthusiastic about the recent population decline news in another thread? Less people to be unemployed when AI takes over?

I saw an article a few months back which stated we have underestimated global population in the rural areas. They think its closer to 8 billion not 7.

 

[KnappShack]

Comparing AI to a calculator or card catalog is like comparing a piece of paper with the word “bang” on it to a nuclear weapon.

Will some good come from AI? I’m sure if will short term even if it’s just entertainment or making life easier in some areas like translation. The problem is that AI is going to cause job losses on an unprecedented scale in almost every area of society. That’s what I think you might be missing now that I understand your passion better. It’s not just one area or profession, it’s practically everything.

Again to be clear I’m not necessarily saying that AI is going full sky net, but I am saying that it’s going to cause unemployment on a catastrophic scale and we have nothing in place or projected to deal with that.

The seeds of techno communism!!