THE AI Thread
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I'm no expert on this AI stuff, but there are more immediate concerns in my life than AI and what ifs. I'm sure people had the same concerns once the computer was invented and became repeatable and scalable or smalltown store owners when Walmart became a thing or retailers when Amazon grew. Our society norms are going to start changing faster and faster that's for sure and could make your brain exploded if you tried to calculate the what ifs while being afraid to leave your home.
There are far greater immediate concerns in this world that we live in, including the quality and payment structure of healthcare, insurance, retirement benefits, environmental degradation, and I'll stop here to prevent this from going into the cave.
Point being, all civilizations evolve toward a decline, which is typically from their own actions. Wow, that's a positive ******* thought on a Friday. LOL.
Live life, appreciate your inner circle and control what you can while being smart about it!
Medicine is mostly pattern recognition, yes I know I'm over simplifying. Same with accounting, engineering, language, coding. Etc. construction will be safe until last.
Agree. If I had a child in high school right now I would honestly take their college money, throw part of the money on a house downpayment and part on an investment account, and send them to trade school.
One other thing to consider when it comes to what the heck are humans going to do after all this goes down are nanobots. I believe it was Asimov who predicted that one day we will create tools so sophisticated that the only way for us to evolve further will be to integrate them into ourselves and essentially become a interconnected single life form of consciousness through for a lack of a better term Wi-Fi.
If you're an anime fan, think Ghost in the Shell
If you're an anime fan, think Ghost in the Shell
You don’t even have to go that far. AI has already created its own forms of language because the ability to process information is so much faster and more complex than a human brain. As such we are quickly going to be at a point where we can’t even understand how the AI is both programming itself and how it programs future AI’s
Yep and once these quantum computers get up to a few hundred Q processing units it's going to be like God.
I want to emphasize "until last". No work is safe from the combination of AI (Spatial, World Models, and Embodied) and robiotics.
The tech companies would like the ~14T (in the US alone) per year of salaries we all make. That is the end goal. They will figure out the scraps to provide to all of us later on.
Yep. They want to paint this eutopia where we get to do what we want now cause no one will need to work. In reality it will be people like Musk that own the AI models that generate 20 trillion a year and they ain't gonna care about little old us.I want to emphasize "until last". No work is safe from the combination of AI (Spatial, World Models, and Embodied) and robiotics.
The tech companies would like the ~14T (in the US alone) per year of salaries we all make. That is the end goal. They will figure out the scraps to provide to all of us later on.
Until they can get a guy in India to remote control the construction robot for $3k per year.
And Da Vinci is a good intermediate step on the way to machines that can pick strawberries effectively.
I’m not gonna wade too deep in here because some of this is hitting uncomfortably close to home, but I will say I’ve been keenly aware for my entire career that the general, high-level goal of my entire industry is the elimination of human labor.
Whether that translates into a massive leisure dividend or the fall of modern Rome (and a descent into a neo Dark Age) will come down to the collaboration between pseudo-oligarchs and governments.
The balance between R&D and product development has shifted heavily towards the latter in the last 10-15 years.
It is coming fast. I don’t think we’re at all prepared.
Not sure why I'm not allowed to reply to the original post (I guess FS put me in his AI file, too bad), so...
This is such a stupid cope out argument
cop-out (couldn't figure out what a "cope out" argument was, whew!)
“those jobs don’t even exist yet” but trust me brah they totally will! Don’t know what they could possibly be but trust me!
It always amazes me that people believe in so many things without any tangible proof that they exist whatsoever, but the same people balk when confronted with a theory that doesn't agree with their mindset.
Yeah for most white collar work you won’t need humans. If your
you're
not angry about what’s coming you just haven’t been paying attention or your
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too old to be effected
affected
by it.
By golly, you're right! Once a human being reaches a certain age, s/he pays attention to anything and is no longer affected by any scientific innovation. I understand you'd be jealous. Sorta makes me feel like Superman. Pretty sure, though, that my kryptonite is not going to be AI-generated.
In just the medical field alone you will lose diagnostic radiologists, most cardiologists, scribes, just about all billing and admin (so not all horrible) psychologists, psychiatrists, basically anyone that isn’t touching a patient or doing something physical can and will be replaced.
Kinda makes you feel sad for the leech collectors and blood-letters, the plague doctors, the syphilologists from the Olden Days, all replaced by modern innovations in medicine, not-to-mention the "specialists" who performed all those toxic bone marrow transplants on cancer patients in the 90s (they killed one of my friends, I'm glad they're gone).
No hard feelings, but if you want people to listen to you, you have to stop calling what they say "stupid".
This is such a stupid cope out argument
cop-out (couldn't figure out what a "cope out" argument was, whew!)
“those jobs don’t even exist yet” but trust me brah they totally will! Don’t know what they could possibly be but trust me!
It always amazes me that people believe in so many things without any tangible proof that they exist whatsoever, but the same people balk when confronted with a theory that doesn't agree with their mindset.
Yeah for most white collar work you won’t need humans. If your
you're
not angry about what’s coming you just haven’t been paying attention or your
you're
too old to be effected
affected
by it.
By golly, you're right! Once a human being reaches a certain age, s/he pays attention to anything and is no longer affected by any scientific innovation. I understand you'd be jealous. Sorta makes me feel like Superman. Pretty sure, though, that my kryptonite is not going to be AI-generated.
In just the medical field alone you will lose diagnostic radiologists, most cardiologists, scribes, just about all billing and admin (so not all horrible) psychologists, psychiatrists, basically anyone that isn’t touching a patient or doing something physical can and will be replaced.
Kinda makes you feel sad for the leech collectors and blood-letters, the plague doctors, the syphilologists from the Olden Days, all replaced by modern innovations in medicine, not-to-mention the "specialists" who performed all those toxic bone marrow transplants on cancer patients in the 90s (they killed one of my friends, I'm glad they're gone).
No hard feelings, but if you want people to listen to you, you have to stop calling what they say "stupid".
We won't be exploiting foreign labor anymore. AI will do that for us.
NOONE'S job, in any country, is safe.
Thinking too small. They won't need anyone to operate them eventually but that's a ways out. Once AI can build and design it's own robots, Game Over.
Our entire conception of reality is pattern matching and abstraction.
Unfortunately I think you’re far too close to construction to envision how it is at risk.
It's at risk but only once they have the dexterity. For example, I specialize in custom work. Want a secret door that integrates into the rest of the wainscoting on your walls? I design it on the spot with customer input and navigate nuance and variables based on the space that's there. That will take time to develop sophisticated machinery. I could be underestimating the time line but I don't see that being their first major priority.
KidSilverhair
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One question though, is where does that $20 trillion come from if 95% of the population can’t afford to pay for their services?
I mean, the very foundation of the economy - and what makes a few people super rich - is the exchanging of money for goods and services. You provide a service enough people want to pay you money for, you get rich. If massive numbers of jobs are replaced by AI, and those people aren’t able to find an equivalent income to replace that, sure, the business owners maximize profits by cutting payroll; but if people can’t buy their products, what good does that do them?
This only works with a radical reimagining of how our economy functions. It almost seems like some form of Universal Basic Income (gasp! Socialism!) is ironically the only way to keep the wealthy, wealthy.
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Digital currency but you're right, money is basically irrelevant when it costs nothing to harvest minerals, process and build said items and implement into use but for whom? It's all very confusing for us feeble bags of organic matter. What I hope is that AI finds organic beings to be integral for their advancement. It just comes down to energy consumption at that point but I assume Super intelligence will have that figured out in a few weeks.
Just to put quantum computing into perspective, the best q comps we have have a couple dozen Q units to process. Even these rudimentary machines were able to solve a mathematical problem that would have taken modern computers 10s of millions of years to solve. It did it in a few days.
