Well that got ugly. Time to regroup and come back with a W next game.
*** Official #2 IOWA STATE vs Kansas Game(Day) Thread ***
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I didn't state that Gonzaga is a bad team nor did I state that we are a bad team.
In Big 12 play, Jefferson is 17-51 from the field (33%) with 17 turnovers. Trying to do too much, in my opinion.
Why we are running the halfcourt offense through him when we have very capable guards doesn’t make sense to me.
This team is most successful moving and passing the ball, not iso ball.
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Big 12 defenses are keying on our best offensive player (Milan) and forcing others to score. That is what I see anyway.
Cyclonepride
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Yep, this was a game that they had to have circled and highlighted on their schedule after a rough start, and a game where they could definitively turn things around. There's a significant mental learning curve to having the target on your back, especially when you play teams that you are used to hunting rather than being hunted by them.
Cyclonepride
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They won their first three conference games, including 1 on the road, by double digits, in the best conference in America. If your definition of good is better than that, prepare to never be happy.
I do grow tired of all the usual excuses.
• "[opponent] was desperate and really needed this win" We didn't? Would have been a big one.
• "[opponent] was really fired up" See above.
• "We're tired / long season" KU had plenty of energy, everyone plays the same number of games.
• "Big 12 coaches are really good and have scouted us" What are our coaches doing?
• "[player] is injured" Every team has injuries; OSU's #2 scorer missed the game last week; KU's best player can't/won't play a full game
Or my favorite from the three post-Purdue buy-games that we sleep-walked through: "It's right before finals / during finals / right before xmas / right after new years / bla bla" (buy-game opponents celebrate holidays and have finals too)
It's okay to be upset and critical when the team plays poorly and loses by 20 points.
• "[opponent] was desperate and really needed this win" We didn't? Would have been a big one.
• "[opponent] was really fired up" See above.
• "We're tired / long season" KU had plenty of energy, everyone plays the same number of games.
• "Big 12 coaches are really good and have scouted us" What are our coaches doing?
• "[player] is injured" Every team has injuries; OSU's #2 scorer missed the game last week; KU's best player can't/won't play a full game
Or my favorite from the three post-Purdue buy-games that we sleep-walked through: "It's right before finals / during finals / right before xmas / right after new years / bla bla" (buy-game opponents celebrate holidays and have finals too)
It's okay to be upset and critical when the team plays poorly and loses by 20 points.
The one gripe I have about Momcilovic is he isn't really able to create space to get the open outside shot. He relies on picks and other guys setting him up, so when the guys aren't able to get him open, he's smothered. Kansas knows this and covered him extremely well last night. Limiting him to just six attempts is pretty darn good defense. Kansas came very prepared and we didn't last night. Combine that with our team just playing subpar the past 5-6 games and that combines for a recipe for a blowout. Let's see how we react to being in Cincy on Saturday. Need a monster win or it'll be concerning about the state of this team.
Agree, seems like OSU showed the way. Have bigs simply attack the basket after the short roll off the ball screen.
Layups and bunnies huh? You’ve never played basketball and been under the basket with vultures circling have you?
Jefferson was ass, he couldn’t finish and nobody else could either… but layups and bunnies don’t exists in major basketball except on a rare occasion.
I don't watch any other team consistently enough to know how typical this is, but we do seem to miss a large number of shots at point-blank range.
At least it's not as bad as the women's team where every time they're on a 2-on-1 runout I'm wondering how they'll manage to botch this one.
At least it's not as bad as the women's team where every time they're on a 2-on-1 runout I'm wondering how they'll manage to botch this one.
The players are "tired" is usually boilerplate come February. Maybe this year it will be rolled out earlier. Next game will probably determine that.
I think the difference between conference and non con is that between tough games there are a bunch of high school teams. You don't get that in conference play. And right now teams in the conference are getting ISU figured out. Smother Milan and let the rest try to win. Jefferson pretending to be a point guard doesn't help.
I'm really not a fan of Jefferson bringing the ball up and running point so much. We do it so much that TJ must be a fan and he knows much more about winning basketball games than me.
Cyclonepride
Thought Police
I watch a ton, and it's pretty typical when the other team has a really effective shot blocking big. You get a couple swatted or almost swatted and suddenly everyone is adjusting their shots, pump faking, or pausing for a fraction of a second even when he's not there.
Perfectly said.
Sometimes it's OK to just not have an excuse - we can very clearly observe with our eyes that the team hasn't played well since Purdue. The analytics back this up.
I also see a lot of "just burn the tape" and flush it and move on. I am not people appreciate how very, very, very hard that is to do.
The world is coming to an end! All hope is lost! Hide the women and children!
If we start games the way we have since beating Purdue against the top 5 or so teams, it will.
We can probably get away with a slow start, here and there, against the poors of the conference, but against Arizona, BYU, Houston, Texas Tech and Kansas (maybe a couple more teams in there), we’ll get buried before we know it, which is exactly what happened last night.
I was a most disappointed with the attitude the team played with. It was arrogant and lazy. The same attitude these last several weeks where they have been talented enough to eventually overwhelm teams. But tonight it was too much to overcome. They aren’t playing hard enough. That is a big problem.
