With the weight distribution plus the modern traction control you should be fine in most scenarios.
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Agree. Tesla sales rep said he grew up in SoCal and just moved to MN so had no idea how to drive in the snow, but had the RWD Model 3 with snow tires. figured if he could manage, so could I (Iowa native, MN resident)
Starting my third winter and have had zero issues with it. Not quite as great as my Audi with Quattro, but pretty damn close.
Lightning is on the way out
www.pcmag.com
Ford Kills F-150 Lightning, Will Reboot It as an EREV With a 700-Mile Range
Ford is also starting a battery storage business to power AI data centers, following Tesla.
This one surprised me. But isn't it bad at hauling and towing by bad I mean the range gets killed.Lightning is on the way out
Ford Kills F-150 Lightning, Will Reboot It as an EREV With a 700-Mile Range
Ford is also starting a battery storage business to power AI data centers, following Tesla.
Ford has lost $13 billion in two years on EV.
I saw that yesterday too. It's too bad because it's a really nice truck but it's in a weird market space. Most of the F150 crowd doesn't want an EV because they might haul a trailer 2 times a year. The EV crowd isn't into it because it doesn't look like a space ship or a trash dumpster. Their move to an extended range EV makes sense for a vehicle like the Lightning, Scout has sold way more pre orders of their trucks with the range extender than they have straight up BEVs.Lightning is on the way out
Ford Kills F-150 Lightning, Will Reboot It as an EREV With a 700-Mile Range
Ford is also starting a battery storage business to power AI data centers, following Tesla.
Lost, or invested and written off for tax purposes?
I suppose it depends on where they spent the money and what value in what they got out of it. And I really don't know without researching.
Full-size vehicles are not the market for EVs. All the most successful EVs out there today are smaller, commuter vehicles. Old-guard domestic brands have yet to figure this out while Hyundai, VW, Tesla, Rivian, etc. did long ago. GM is sort of working towards this by pushing their EV tech downward towards small SUVs now.
I think they'd sell a whole bunch of BEV trucks if they based it off the Mach E Platform. Ranger or Maverick sized for guys who aren't towing anything but want a bed to throw stuff in on the weekends. I'm that market, but nobody has anything I really need or want to spend the money on. If Rivian would knock $20k off of their dual motor 320 mile range R1T I'd probably be a buyer.
I’ve posted in regard to our situation before….we’re now on our second Nissan Leaf…gave the previous one to our daughter. We use the leaf for all of our trips around town and within +/- one hundred miles. We’re in Fort Collins…we can go round trip to Denver..the airport…up to the mountains. And we have solar on our house so usually charge during the day…
For us the Leaf is perfect for 95% of our travel. We have a Rav4 for the couple of trips back to Iowa.
And now…at least here in Colorado..a low mileage Leaf might be $5000.
For us the Leaf is perfect for 95% of our travel. We have a Rav4 for the couple of trips back to Iowa.
And now…at least here in Colorado..a low mileage Leaf might be $5000.
But they certainly know the future is EV. The CEO is rightly terrified of China putting American automanufacturing out of business. Seems pretty likely at this point.
Agree. The Lightning is kind of an engineering marvel in its way, but... you can have range or towing, but not lots of both and that's kind of the issue. I thought it would be a pretty good seller among the typical suburban family truck drivers, ie the ones that never go off road or tow anything, since its basically an SUV with a bed. But apparently not.
Doing a smaller truck as you say seems a perfect idea, as long as the weight/battery ratio still works to get the long range.
I think a big part of the problem is that most suburban truck drivers are delusional as to what size of truck they need. The other side of that though is the out the door price of a 1/2 ton vs a Ranger you're talking dozens of dollars a month difference in your payment at the most. When I priced out my full size vs the mid size I was within about $5k or so for two similarly speced out trucks which over a 60 month loan was pretty insignificant so why not get the full size am I right? The other problem the mid size trucks have other than the prices being damn near identical they don't really offer any fuel efficiency advantages. Again just looking at the EPA ratings for a full size vs mid size when I was doing it I think it worked out to a difference of a penny a mile which for the average person is an extra $13 a month. Now a Ranger or a Maverick BEV might solve that cost per mile problem. When I was looking at a Lightning vs a F150 your fuel costs looked like they were cut in half. Now that's real money for most of us especially if you're talking about two vehicles that are cost competitive with each other.
Bingo. My last company vehicle was a Chevy Colorado. Practically speaking they are darn near the same physical size, a little narrower than the current Ram classic, length maybe a few inches shorter. Actually getting better MPG out of the Rammie (say 22ish vs 20ish, and this is reported the same by all my 'fleet mates.' The interior space and comfort is night and day better in the 1/2 ton. Sticker prices were within a few $K.
The only advantage I'd give the Colorado is it was much easier to park due to being narrower.
The efficiency question always seems to be missing from ev marketing material
I drive a 2021 RAV4 hybrid (non phev), and am still shocked that I get 40mpg with a comfortable awd car that seats 4 adults and has over 8’’ ground clearance.
How is Toyota so far ahead of everyone else on pure efficiency? When I look at comparable mid size PHEVs, they typically get 27/28mpg on gas.
I hope to drive my RAV4 for at least another 5 five years, but by that point I hope the ev market has matured and prioritized efficiency. Efficiency doesn’t go out the window just because you can recharge - it still buys you extended range or decreased battery weight/improved performance
Pure EVs are incredibly efficient, and that's the only way that we've got anything resembling acceptable range. The energy density in the battery technologies available today pales in comparison to the energy density of a gallon of gasoline. I think to the point that 100kWH battery is the equivalent of something like 5 gallons of gas.
This is also why harsh conditions impact range of EVs much more than gasoline cars. The efficiency is so dialed in for an EV, that even a minimum hit to it makes a big difference in range. Internal combustion is so inefficient by comparison, that we often don't notice the drops in efficiency.
Good question. You'd think less HP, but I just bought a Corolla Cross hybrid, and the main reason is that it has a MUCH better engine than its competitors - 10+ mpg and much faster 0-60 time as well (not that its fast, but it is much faster than a CX-50 or Crosstrek) So you get more power and more efficiency.
I think its just priorities. Toyota def saves money on excitement and coolness, and apparently rolls that money into Mechanical Engineers that love squeezing the engine tech for every ounce.
My Tundra actually gets better gas milage than my Tacoma did with the same displacement engine. I was getting 16ish with the Tacoma, my son is driving it now and that's still pretty close. The Tundra I got a couple of years ago has the same 3.5L V6 but I'm averaging a little over 19mpg with it. Other than the ease of parking I don't know what advantage a mid size has over a full size right now. Maybe an all electric midsize changes that conversation though.
