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No Bowl Game — Iowa State Turns Down Bowl Bid

khardbored said:
I wish we knew exactly what the overall player sentiment was and the "reason" for voting down a bowl game.

If literally half the team (the better half) has decided to enter the portal or quit and that includes entire position groups (like we have a 3rd string punter needing to play O-line, etc) I understand why the remnant would not want to go get absolutely crushed in a bowl game, and have a much higher chance than usual of getting injured. (IE - would the 3rd string QB want to play in a game where he has 0 starters on the O-line, and only two 2nd stringers, with the rest being walk-ons? You're getting sacked every-other-play even if playing a middling Sun Belt team.)

On the other hand, if they are just losing a handful, and the remnant is just mad or sad that CMC left, that's a terrible reason. Suck it up and deal with it.

Someone will probably say I'm dumb for not thinking the last 40 3rd stringers, walk-ons, and ball boys should go do a bowl game.
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The other part is--many dont know for sure what they will do. They need to get through finals and then start making life altering decisions about their future. The timing is so abrupt.

The other statements above to the effect that a bowl is necessarily low on a priority list are absolutely correct. The coaches are in a mad scramble to retain who they can and to hit the portal for needs-- that is literally the very best use of their time.

What pisses me off is that idiots lump ISU's situation in with Notre Dame. Notre Dame is a pampered, entitled blue blood acting petty. We are a relatively poor program just trying to survive.
 
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I wouldnt go that far: ISU is not in survival mode. We simply have injuries and a seismic coaching change the day before bowl invites. The same day we were losing our coach Noturd Aim was popping off about how they deserve the playoffs. How can you deserve the playoffs while running away from the postseason and throwing your "business partner" under the bus.

Notre Dame quit because it is not serious about football. We quit because we are.

KU quit because they had no idea they were getting an invite, and pooped themselves as usual.
 
Just saw Kansas Baylor and UCF also turned down bowl offers. Perhaps the fine to KState and ISU go away?
 
NoCreativity said:
Over 100 players in the sidelines for home games every Saturday and now all of a sudden all of them a injured?

Weird how 9 days ago we were able to field a full team and even win a game. Oklahoma State lost their coach 6 weeks ago and were still going.


Iowa State is upset their coach left so they quit on the University and the fans. It's as simple as that. How are any of these players going to handle loss if they just quit?

Welcome to the real world, so if my boss that I really like and hired me decides to get a new job I should just immediately quit too?
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The timing around that vote to play in the bowl was terrible, as it was so close to the coaching change. Maybe if the vote comes a week or two after the announcement when emotions have settled down, the vote ends differently, but that just wasn't possible. Or, maybe the vote ends up the same.

And I can see how forcing a bowl game might have pushed some players to emotional-based decisions to enter the portal before the new staff had a chance to talks with them.

In any case, it's just a bigger indicator of where things are in general. I admire the young men who wanted to gut it out and voted to play. But "me first" rules the day. It is what it is.

It also indicates to me that the "culture" aspect that was fed to us was never as strong as it was purported to be, but I have suspected that for a few years now.

For me, it's a little disappointing, because I think ISU could have drawn a good SEC or Big Ten opponent, and it would have been a nice test to see how ISU stacked up against a peer from one of those conferences (provided there weren't a bunch of portal no-shows for each team), but I'm not losing any sleep. For me, the playoff sucking in the best SEC and Big Ten teams has kind of dulled the luster of the bowls.
 
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NoCreativity said:
What a load of ****. If you go to Iowa States current roster they have 109 players. I think someone posted earlier you need a minimum of 45 to play. So we have 64 players right now that are hurt and can't play?

We're being gaslit.The real reason is because their coach left and now are emotionally distressed(which is understandable), but they want to be paid like adults and then turn into toddlers when adversity hits.
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I guess that's one opinion. I can say that ideally the new guys would round up everyone available and try to put something in place. Given injuries and guys that can't/won't play for whatever reason, including the portal, we probably get above your minimum? Probably (there is no real way to know what's going on inside)
So then we assume completely new coaches put in a completely new scheme in with a marginal team not recruited to those schemes. So, yeah, at that point they could probably go play a game. What has that accomplished? I suppose it builds something among whoever is left that sticks around. Gives a few guys a leg up for next year. Probably also looks absolutely terrible on TV, like 46-3 terrible depending on a lot of unknowables. Worth it? Maybe, hell IDK

More than that we've definitely learned that the term 'bowl invitation' is a misnomer.
 
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JM4CY said:
They were both 5-7 so maybe there's a stipulation with that.
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That would be my hunch, without knowledge of the "rules." The 5-7 teams (in most cases) are eligible only if bowls can't fill allotted slots withe eligible/affiliated teams. So any mandate might be different from a team that's clearly eligible and within the selection order.
 
How much money does a bowl like what we were going to get at 8 wins really make the school anyway? You have to figure at least some of the bowls the payout is less than expenses to take the team down there for a week.
 
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jbhtexas said:
The timing around that vote to play in the bowl was terrible, as it was so close to the coaching change. Maybe if the vote comes a week or two after the announcement when emotions have settled down, the vote ends differently, but that just wasn't possible. Or, maybe the vote ends up the same.

And I can see how forcing a bowl game might have pushed some players to emotional-based decisions to enter the portal before the new staff had a chance to talks with them.

In any case, it's just a bigger indicator of where things are in general. I admire the young men who wanted to gut it out and voted to play. But "me first" rules the day. It is what it is.

It also indicates to me that the "culture" aspect that was fed to us was never as strong as it was purported to be, but I have suspected that for a few years now.

For me, it's a little disappointing, because I think ISU could have drawn a good SEC or Big Ten opponent, and it would have been a nice test to see how ISU stacked up against a peer from one of those conferences (provided there weren't a bunch of portal no-shows for each team), but I'm not losing any sleep. For me, the playoff sucking in the best SEC and Big Ten teams has kind of dulled the luster of the bowls.
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And let's just remember who set the timing-- it was B1G moneybags and CMC who determined it. It wasnt the players. It wasnt the other coaches. It wasnt JP. It wasnt the players.
 
This is nothing, it only takes a few brave guys to lead us. Seneca and that team brought us back from the depths in the early 2000's I was there, going to games when it was no one. I still chose ISU when playing NCAA on my PS1/PS2 roster deciding. We grew, and will continue. We will arise, loyal sons forever true.
 
Rumor is that not only is ISU getting fined $500K for skipping bowl, they might also be disqualified to receive any money from our bowl/playoff contract this season. That is a huge amount of money.

Apparently, the conference is going to make up the decision, so it could go either way. Either the fine is going to be it or those skipping bowls and violating the conference agreements and obligations, or they will be considered ineligible for any money generated from those agreements, for failing to meet the obligations.
Absolutely, idiotic to not play in a bowl. I cant find 1 legitimate reason for skipping it.
 
2speedy1 said:
Rumor is that not only is ISU getting fined $500K for skipping bowl, they might also be disqualified to receive any money from our bowl/playoff contract this season. That is a huge amount of money.

Apparently, the conference is going to make up the decision, so it could go either way. Either the fine is going to be it or those skipping bowls and violating the conference agreements and obligations, or they will be considered ineligible for any money generated from those agreements, for failing to meet the obligations.
Absolutely, idiotic to not play in a bowl. I cant find 1 legitimate reason for skipping it.
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I'm on the conference's side here: you have obligations and if you don't fulfill them, you're on the hook. That goes for the players too - we're paying you for the season and that means a bowl game. We should be recouping a pro-rated share from players.

But this has its limits. If the conference did not make clear that failure to meet bowl obligations would also include being cut out of their share (in addition to the $500K fine) then I would not support that.
 
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I'm on the conference's side here: you have obligations and if you don't fulfill them, you're on the hook. That goes for the players too - we're paying you for the season and that means a bowl game. We should be recouping a pro-rated share from players.

But this has its limits. If the conference did not make clear that failure to meet bowl obligations would also include being cut out of their share (in addition to the $500K fine) then I would not support that.
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I would think a good compromise would be to deduct from Iowa State and K-State (split between the two) whatever amount was lost by a Big XII team not filling a slot, which I believe is just the Rate Bowl (New Mexico is in the Big XII slot). Were there any other Big XII slots that went unfilled? Being totally punitive is just absolute horse ****!
 
AlaCyclone said:
I would think a good compromise would be to deduct from Iowa State and K-State (split between the two) whatever amount was lost by a Big XII team not filling a slot, which I believe is just the Rate Bowl (New Mexico is in the Big XII slot). Were there any other Big XII slots that went unfilled? Being totally punitive is just absolute horse ****!
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Independence bowl too

And that being said we are considered part of the overall pool so teams denying bowls when they are qualified, I would think there is an argument for any bowl that had to reach out to normally not qualified teams at 5-7 or G5 etc then the conference could be considered not fulfilling that obligation too.

The point is this is a really bad deal, and if their was not a full penalty for it written out, up to this point, I am sure there will be something added to the bylaws moving forward and rightfully so.

At this point, for being quitters, and not fulfilling our obligations, we deserve whatever we get.
 
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2speedy1 said:
Rumor is that not only is ISU getting fined $500K for skipping bowl, they might also be disqualified to receive any money from our bowl/playoff contract this season. That is a huge amount of money.

Apparently, the conference is going to make up the decision, so it could go either way. Either the fine is going to be it or those skipping bowls and violating the conference agreements and obligations, or they will be considered ineligible for any money generated from those agreements, for failing to meet the obligations.
Absolutely, idiotic to not play in a bowl. I cant find 1 legitimate reason for skipping it.
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Rumors rumors, are no fun, rumors rumors, hurt someone.
 
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Rumors rumors, are no fun, rumors rumors, hurt someone.
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I say rumor, because I dont believe every report I see. No matter the source. So... If I see a Podcast, a Tweet, an article, I take it with a grain of salt until something is officially released. No matter how good that reporter etc is.

So I say "rumors", when I could say "reports". Needless to say, it appears like there possibly be more penalties coming our way, or possibly put in place to prevent this from happening again.
 
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