Depends on the trip. Not all of them need that much.
Also God forbid you get out of your car for 15 mins to stretch the legs!
When do you think you will buy a 100% pure electric vehicle?
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Also God forbid you get out of your car for 15 mins to stretch the legs!
Once you make the switch, you'll never go back. Just like @HFCS said. Going to the gas station feels prehistoric now.
I am doing them 3-8 times a month. YMMV but If I can avoid an overnight 'one time' it is worth it to me; I can stomach a 13 hour day, which is what these amount to. Push that even to 14 and it puts me into an overnighter most times.
None of my destinations have onsite charging available, if they (all) did, it would likely change my outlook on the topic.
EV owners when you say you have a valid reason to not want an EV
Even despite when I tell them the exact reasons why, and how this all started by stating "I want one" when it meets the necessary criteria.EV owners when you say you have a valid reason to not want an EV
I would almost guarantee if others were in my same situation they would not want an EV in its current form for this use case. (unless they like spending nights away from home)
LOL. It's kind of a ridiculous conversation. If you're a city driver doing your daily commute and your occasional road trip a few times a year an EV is a great option. If you're doing several hundred mile trips on a regular basis like poster above it's just not.
I don't understand the debate about this. I would argue they would work perfectly for the majority of drivers, but with some exceptions.
I don't understand the debate about this. I would argue they would work perfectly for the majority of drivers, but with some exceptions.
I'll own an EV some day because I think they seem cool, but the arguments EV owners give for why they're the best thing ever are hilarious. A trip to a gas station takes, with no exaggeration, 3 minutes, and they're everywhere so you can pick one that's most convenient for you.
Bingo. And once they hit the magical (for me) 600mi true range, I would be fully onboard.
Bingo ^2. I can stop when I need a rest/food/etc, not at pre-ordained intervals.
The annoyance is people apply a 2-5% exception to 100% of people.
I still think urban people who can only street park have more of a legit concern and most “road trip” single family home owners would love an EV if they actually had one.
I absolutely love our EV and will always keep at least one around. It's the perfect city car for my family, but that's a completely different use case than the one you describe above
We also have an SUV that we'll probably trade out of soon. Our primary reason for keeping this is the longer road trip although we do those very infrequently. I am trying to challenge myself on my thinking here. Is it really worth keeping this for the 2-3 times per year it's the only way to get from point A to point B? Given what we'd save in gas I could probably rent a car for those rare occasions an EV is going to be a problem.
As an EV owner and advocate, I think that is the argument it's fair to push back on. People that are like "well what if I have to do a 10 hour drive through BFE and there is no charging" when that happens once every two years for them. Your case is obviously very different.
I mean you're in a fleet car anyways, so I don't know why you acted like you were using your car
Make sense in your situation to stick with ICE.
well technically it is my car, it is just provided by company/fleet. Can go anywhere in US/CAN for personal use.I mean you're in a fleet car anyways, so I don't know why you acted like you were using your car
Make sense in your situation to stick with ICE.
I don't think you're like the trolls in this thread, but I also don't think you really need 600 mile true range. Hardly any gas vehicles have that either because people don't realize wind, heat, cold, altitude climbing affect every car. It's also rare to go 600 miles without stopping to urinate, eat, stretch, etc.
You probably get gas at some point in these 400-600 mile round trip drives. With an EV you can start with a full tank faster than a gas car. So you really just need charge times and charger availability to improve slightly from where it's at now. Telling people EVs don't work until they can get to 600 mile range can come off like you're setting it up to be more difficult than it is.
The best combo of charging network, regions with good infrastructure and vehicles that charge faster than others are already approaching where it's only an extra 5-10 minutes than filling up with gas and taking a piss. Shaving another 5 minutes off that can be done. If you need 600 mile range in all conditions you're saying 80% of gas vehicles are worthless too.
My son is a college kid in need of a vehicle. I very much want to get him a Nissan Leaf because there are a lot of pretty inexpensive used ones out there but he is balking because of the infrastructure around campus. There are charging stations but he doesn't want to deal with it. Should I tell him to suck it up? Dad's wallet should take priority, right?
If he lived in a house or apartment that had any sort of outlet, even level one for a Leaf is fine, I'd go for it because he'd never even need a charging station. If he's exclusively having to charge away from home I wouldn't do it. If he knew there was some nearby easy level 2 charging on campus or at a job or at a gym it might be different.
Having nowhere to charge at home to me is a far more rational excuse than "It doesn't work on a road trip because I never stop for food and gas on road trips". It flips the convenience factor which is one of the best advantages of EV vs gas.
Thinking back to ISU when I lived at the dorms I'd have not wanted an EV if today's options existed because I had nowhere to charge in the dorms lot or even worse when the only long term parking was out at JTS. The minute I moved into a 6 bedroom house with 5 friends an EV would have been superior to a gas car because the side of the house had an outlet and the garage had an outlet. If housemates had complained about what it cost I'd have paid the extra $10-20 a month because it costs practically nothing especially for a college kid who lives near campus.
Half my enjoyment of this thread is the celebration of people who pee in bottles and take a dump in a box as as they are driving 700 miles nonstop with kids and elderly people in the car, they also only eat/drink what they take with them from the house 700 miles from the destination.
You seem like you're wanting me to be a troll or to label me one so bad, you are not paying attention to what I have said; I literally said "I am one of the few that really need true 600mi range."
You are technically right, I suppose don't 'really need' 600 mile range. But... with an EV without 600 mile range, those 1 day trips become 2 day trips...
I do normally get gas (range of current vehicle ~500 miles) but it is more at my convenience than along a preplanned route & stop. And it is generally 1 or 2 stops for say a total of 20-30 min. Maybe someday on the routes I have to take, fast charging stations will be commonplace enough that we can enjoy the same nonchalant attitude about recharging stops. But its not there today, at least the routes I need to take. Like I've said, for MY situation a 600mi range solves this issue.
Show me where I 'told people EV's won't work until they have a 600 mile range.'
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I get that where you are and what you do it's not ideal for you.
I am skeptical you really need 600 miles of true range in any vehicle and it sounds like we agree.
When you say you need that 600 mile range in an EV (your quote above), but don't even use it or expect it in a gas car, it adds to the fear and misinformation.
You probably actually need better charging infrastructure in some of these areas and slightly faster charging times more than you really need 600 miles of range, which means 800 miles of range in optimal conditions.
I also think that almost nobody realizes how inconvenient gas stations are in daily life until they charge at home, even a PHEV you can get gas like once every 3 months and you start to realize it's a needless chore. I'm somebody who has wanted electric cars since the 90s and I didn't even fully realize it until I had a PHEV that it was such a hassle to go get gas when pumping gas went from every week thing to every few months thing.
