*** Official Northwestern vs #16 IOWA STATE Game(Day) Thread ***

I think it was still a lot of messing with rotations, trying some base looks to see how players would respond, etc then the end presented a great time to work through some tight late game situations or at leasf get film.
It's odd seeing so much deep analysis for two games that aren't even on record.

Like if the previous years' 'secret scrimmages' were filmed and streaming would the response be the same?
So long as those were approached like these where it was a "full game" with normal game scenarios, I think so.

I try not to read too much yet into rotations and such yet but instead focused on individual performances. Team plays may not be as transferable yet, but individual ones might be.
 
So long as those were approached like these where it was a "full game" with normal game scenarios, I think so.

I try not to read too much yet into rotations and such yet but instead focused on individual performances. Team plays may not be as transferable yet, but individual ones might be.

It was nice to see the new guys etc. but outside of that I can't take much from it for telling how the next 4-5 months will go.
 
Toure has been decent early on and a nice surprise.

Batemon is okay on defense, but provides nothing on offense. You don't even notice he is on the floor because he just disappears. It is still really early, but if he doesn't take some huge steps forward soon, he won't see the floor and will be another Nojus.
 
Toure has been decent early on and a nice surprise.

Batemon is okay on defense, but provides nothing on offense. You don't even notice he is on the floor because he just disappears. It is still really early, but if he doesn't take some huge steps forward soon, he won't see the floor and will be another Nojus.

I expected Batemon to be bigger. He looks tiny out there.
 
In the Creighton game Batemon was at least getting shots up (five FGA in 19 minutes). Against Northwestern he was pretty invisible, only two FGA in 15 minutes. Hope to see something from him in these early buy-games. Those minutes are going to be hard to find when Tamin comes back and if Toure keeps this up.
 
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If you really think TJ doesn't give a rip about winning exhibition games, I'm afraid you're mistaken.
I don't know how anyone could have watched that game and think the results of these exhibition games are meaningless, or that the coaches and players don't care about winning it. It basically looked like a typical regular season game. Similar intensity, players and coaches complaining about calls, etc...The only difference is maybe a player or two sits out when they would have probably played if it was a regular game.
 
In the Creighton game Batemon was at least getting shots up (five FGA in 19 minutes). Against Northwestern he was pretty invisible, only two FGA in 15 minutes. Hope to see something from him in these early buy-games. Those minutes are going to be hard to find when Tamin comes back and if Toure keeps this up.
Batemon looks really aggressive in the practice videos and it sounds like the staff wants him to be. He's a really smart kid, so I think he'll get it. Probably just focused on being in the right places right now.
 
In the Creighton game Batemon was at least getting shots up (five FGA in 19 minutes). Against Northwestern he was pretty invisible, only two FGA in 15 minutes. Hope to see something from him in these early buy-games. Those minutes are going to be hard to find when Tamin comes back and if Toure keeps this up.
Toure has a lot of guaranteed minutes as our backup PG. Batemon will have to fight Heise, Nelson and Momcilovic for minutes at the 2/3. He's clearly behind all those guys right now.
 
Toure has been decent early on and a nice surprise.

Batemon is okay on defense, but provides nothing on offense. You don't even notice he is on the floor because he just disappears. It is still really early, but if he doesn't take some huge steps forward soon, he won't see the floor and will be another Nojus.
How many games have you watched?
 
I'd wonder if Toure gets some time at the 2 at some point.
He's not too bad in space with a little dribble drive or in-out kickout stuff, he just can't fit it in as well with the 1 role. I could see this happening. He's also fast and a super active defender. That said, Nelson is better offensively than him at the moment.
 
Interesting post game presser from Chris Collins. You can tell he and TJ are friends who respect each other a lot. Once Northwestern gets their two point guards back, I have a felling they're gonna have a good season.

 
Toure has a lot of guaranteed minutes as our backup PG. Batemon will have to fight Heise, Nelson and Momcilovic for minutes at the 2/3. He's clearly behind all those guys right now.
Nice to have Toure and Nelson being able to play the point, hopefully to give Lipsey more rest to minimize injuries. Batemon isn't a point guard at this point, he's a backup for Heise/Nelson, assuming he starts producing.
 
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I didn't watch the Creighton game, so I don't have a point of comparison. But still, a few thoughts:

I didn't think Buchanan was as disappointing as a lot of people here seemed to think. Maybe that's because I looked at yesterday's game differently, or maybe it's because I had lower expectations for him. On the defensive side, he wasn't great, but the effort was there, and we know that it takes a while for the bigs to learn Iowa State's defense. On offense, he didn't have much of an impact, but he did have 3 assists, which is nice to see, and he wasn't freaking out with the ball in his hands. Hopefully he can expand his impact as a roller, but that might also come when Tamin is back as a P&R ball handler.

Mulder's impact during the season should be pretty similar to yesterday--a high-effort player who knows how to get easy baskets on offense. Pleta was a bit more disappointing to me, because I just didn't see anything especially interesting. But he should have more room to grow than the other big men, since he's in a new country playing a new style in a more physical environment.

I liked the guard play, though I was disappointed to not see more from Batemon and that Milan couldn't assert himself more. Toure and Nelson were positives, and I like the aggressiveness they have on defense. As another poster said, it will be interesting to see if teams give them the freshman-year Lipsey treatment at the three-point line. At the very least, they both seem more willing to take threes than Lipsey was that year. Hopefully they can make them at a 30% or higher clip.

It looks like Otz played two big men less than I expected and less than some of his preseason comments might have indicated. Jefferson, Buchanan, Mulder, and Pleta combined for 64 minutes, leaving 16 minutes that were played with Momcilovic, Heise, or someone else at the 4. I can't say that surprises me a ton--Otz has tended to lean on smaller lineups when the offense isn't flowing, and I think that may be the case somewhat often this year. It could be important this season to keep at least two guys on the court who are willing to shoot from the perimeter at a higher volume (Milan, Heise, and hopefully Batemon) to keep the defense spread out, and it will be hard to do that with two big men on the court all the time, especially if Toure and Nelson are also commanding notable playing time.


Overall: A lot of positives from yesterday, and definitely some things to grow on. It will be interesting to see what the team looks like with Tamin back (hopefully he comes back and stays back). And I'll echo the reminder that other posters have made that the team will change a lot over the course of the year, especially with three freshmen looking like they could be significant pieces of the rotation.
Pleta seemed comfortable out there and made some nice passes. I think he and Batemon are focused on learning the plays so not really looking to score. Batemon may be similar to Heise last year in the early part of the season and things may click for him around Jan./Feb. I'm sure the staff is telling him to look for his shot which isn't easy if you're thinking about where you are supposed to be or do on each play.
 
I couldn't watch live, but watched it late last night. For those wondering, Derrin Hansen had a solid debut with 23 "No Doubt About Its".
I knew we could count on him. He's an older guy now, former coach, been around the block and then some, but you have to wonder why mangement hasn't told him about some of his quirks, this being the main one. You are never too old to listen to criticism and learn.
 
Biggest thing to remember is it takes live game reps for guys to gel together, and to understand what TJ is trying to run, especially bigs with all that’s asked of them. Taking too much from these two exhibition games doesn’t do a whole lot of good. It took big Rob awhile to figure it out and everybody here would take him back in a heartbeat. This team, with Tamin coming back too, will look a whole lot different in a couple weeks/month/etc.
Hope so! And I really hope Tamin can have a good senior year, w/o major injury concern. I have my fingers crossed that his MCL injured knee will not be a recurring issue.
 
I didn't watch the Creighton game, so I don't have a point of comparison. But still, a few thoughts:

I didn't think Buchanan was as disappointing as a lot of people here seemed to think. Maybe that's because I looked at yesterday's game differently, or maybe it's because I had lower expectations for him. On the defensive side, he wasn't great, but the effort was there, and we know that it takes a while for the bigs to learn Iowa State's defense. On offense, he didn't have much of an impact, but he did have 3 assists, which is nice to see, and he wasn't freaking out with the ball in his hands. Hopefully he can expand his impact as a roller, but that might also come when Tamin is back as a P&R ball handler.

Mulder's impact during the season should be pretty similar to yesterday--a high-effort player who knows how to get easy baskets on offense. Pleta was a bit more disappointing to me, because I just didn't see anything especially interesting. But he should have more room to grow than the other big men, since he's in a new country playing a new style in a more physical environment.

I liked the guard play, though I was disappointed to not see more from Batemon and that Milan couldn't assert himself more. Toure and Nelson were positives, and I like the aggressiveness they have on defense. As another poster said, it will be interesting to see if teams give them the freshman-year Lipsey treatment at the three-point line. At the very least, they both seem more willing to take threes than Lipsey was that year. Hopefully they can make them at a 30% or higher clip.

It looks like Otz played two big men less than I expected and less than some of his preseason comments might have indicated. Jefferson, Buchanan, Mulder, and Pleta combined for 64 minutes, leaving 16 minutes that were played with Momcilovic, Heise, or someone else at the 4. I can't say that surprises me a ton--Otz has tended to lean on smaller lineups when the offense isn't flowing, and I think that may be the case somewhat often this year. It could be important this season to keep at least two guys on the court who are willing to shoot from the perimeter at a higher volume (Milan, Heise, and hopefully Batemon) to keep the defense spread out, and it will be hard to do that with two big men on the court all the time, especially if Toure and Nelson are also commanding notable playing time.


Overall: A lot of positives from yesterday, and definitely some things to grow on. It will be interesting to see what the team looks like with Tamin back (hopefully he comes back and stays back). And I'll echo the reminder that other posters have made that the team will change a lot over the course of the year, especially with three freshmen looking like they could be significant pieces of the rotation.
Personally I'd like to see Tamin ease back in to playing, something like 15-20 min only, during the noncon. We have the players to put in and learn. Now I'm not sure of the Las Vegas tourny, he will get more time there if healthy.

I just think it gives him a little less time at risk to re-injuring his knee. We can afford it. If all goes well, he can increase his playing time to 28-35'/game in conference.
 
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Final thought on this game. I have extended my ISU MBB attendance winning streak to 7 with all games against power teams: @ Creighton in 2021, Oklahoma in 2022, St. John's in 2022, Kansas in 2023, TCU in 2024, Cincinnati in 2025 and Northwestern in 2025. Let's Go State!