Jontez Williams out for the year

[jsb]

I kinda want to see a large scale of how many injuries teams have on average.

I look at an Iowa for example. They had Dejean suffer that injury, but otherwise I can’t recall them ever having this slew of injuries?

They have an injury here and there like anyone else, but aren’t just getting positional groups ravaged like this. Someone can correct me though if I’m wrong.

One could say their QBs are always injured. They are usually playing hurt.

I think we need to be careful in assuming we have more injuries than anyone else. We just notice it more when we follow our team.

Central Florida has two QBs that might not play this week.

 

[FeedBreece]

One could say their QBs are always injured. They are usually playing hurt.

I think we need to be careful in assuming we have more injuries than anyone else. We just notice it more when we follow our team.

Central Florida has two QBs that might not play this week.

That’s more why I’m asking the question. It’s maybe less that we have a high total, but our injuries seems to cluster within certain position groups.

Having two CB’s go down with ACL’s within a 5 day period is one of the more bizarre things I’ve ever seen. It’s hard not to try and seek answers for it

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Since you mentioned managing people at your job I'm genuinely curious.

Do you believe there is a limit to the experience your staff can accrue by continuing to do their required job? Do they eventually stop improving once they have hit their individual experience "limit"?

Of course not. I guess I’ll try to equate Jontez to a scenario I have faced at work. It’s not apples to apples at all but bear with me.

My company had an excellent entry level training program. But it pushes people hard. When I used to manage these more junior employees, I had one really good one. But she made a big mistake one day and I saw she was getting burned out. I was afraid she was going to quit.

So I told her to take the next day off. Just log off, don’t check Slack, email nothing. Now she could have used Friday to get incrementally better maybe (although she didn’t need to cause she was getting enough “reps” as is) or I could give her a Friday, take a breather, to try and avoid losing her to quitting.

 

[CycloneVet]

Anyone see the Bills Ravens game? Im not saying Arizona is the Bills, but there was a couple of times that they drove the field quickly in that game, quick score and a 3 and out would have made things interesting. Plus honestly playing corner in a blowout where they aren’t sweeping runs at you and needing to pass is likely barely safer than standing Jon the sideline.

 

[coolerifyoudid]

It was 100% avoidable if he’s not in the game at that point. It’s not hindsight. I wanted the starters pulled BEFORE he got hurt. Like many others were saying too.

If Jontez doesn’t get hurt I would be saying we dodged a bullet. Which is what I was saying when I heard his injury wasn’t serious.

A first-team CB starting his 17th game and playing in his 19th doesn’t need 8-20 more snaps at the end of a blowout. That is ridiculous

So if we pull Jontez and he instead gets injured on the first play of the Cincy game, is that better? Now our coaches have to adjust at the beginning of the game when the result is more questionable. You are manufacturing a scenario where by pulling him, he never gets hurts at a later time. That isn't realistic.

There is no good time for an injury. Unless the player is trying to push through an injury that needs rest, the risk doesn't change. Moving the timing around to try to validate your point isn't going to change that.

 

[RagingCloner]

Of course not. I guess I’ll try to equate Jontez to a scenario I have faced at work. It’s not apples to apples at all but bear with me.

My company had an excellent entry level training program. But it pushes people hard. When I used to manage these more junior employees, I had one really good one. But she made a big mistake one day and I saw she was getting burned out. I was afraid she was going to quit.

So I told her to take the next day off. Just log off, don’t check Slack, email nothing. Now she could have used Friday to get incrementally better maybe (although she didn’t need to cause she was getting enough “reps” as is) or I could give her a Friday, take a breather, to try and avoid losing her to quitting.

Wow thats actually amazing. Does she still work for you?

 

[IlliniCy]

Since you mentioned managing people at your job I'm genuinely curious.

Do you believe there is a limit to the experience your staff can accrue by continuing to do their required job? Do they eventually stop improving once they have hit their individual experience "limit"?

Apples and bowling balls.

 

[RagingCloner]

Apples and bowling balls.

100% not, but thanks for joining the conversation

 

[OscarBerkshire]

God hates Iowa State Football is an explanation that I think makes a lot of sense

 

[SolterraCyclone]

So if we pull Jontez and he instead gets injured on the first play of the Cincy game, is that better? Now our coaches have to adjust at the beginning of the game when the result is more questionable. You are manufacturing a scenario where by pulling him, he never gets hurts at a later time. That isn't realistic.

There is no good time for an injury. Unless the player is trying to push through an injury that needs rest, the risk doesn't change. Moving the timing around to try to validate your point isn't going to change that.

Yes that’s better. Because he’s playing a situation in which the reward is a win so the risk is worth it.

The more optimal time for an injury is later rather than sooner so you can influence the outcome of more games

 

[SolterraCyclone]

Wow thats actually amazing. Does she still work for you?

She does not, so that actually undermines my point . But she did stay for like another year or two

 

[CycloneT]

I had thought it was strange for the betting line to completely flip in the first 5 hours after it was released. I guess now we know why.

That is not why. There is no way the betting public knew.

Advanced metrics love Cincinnati and hate us. Sharps just play the numbers

 

[Letterkenny]

It was 100% avoidable if he’s not in the game at that point. It’s not hindsight. I wanted the starters pulled BEFORE he got hurt. Like many others were saying too.

If Jontez doesn’t get hurt I would be saying we dodged a bullet. Which is what I was saying when I heard his injury wasn’t serious.

A first-team CB starting his 17th game and playing in his 19th doesn’t need 8-20 more snaps at the end of a blowout. That is ridiculous

Pulling starters at that point was so obvious to everyone that even Arizona...... still had all their starters in.

 

[madguy30]

Ad hominem attacks don’t work on me.

I actually do agree that **** happens and not everything requires blame. This doesn’t fall into that category though, because many of us were calling for direct action to avoid this scenario prior to it happening.

And 'many of us' don't know or remember what game conditioning and reps mean and aren't the coaches that spend hours going through the rationale behind who plays when or for how long.

It could have been a technique thing, or communication or whatever wasn't going well that needed real game reps.

 

[BCClone]

I remember people saying our season was done when kyle kempt was hurt, then this kid named Brock stepped in. I don’t know who will step up but apparently many on here know we have no good corners left

 

[BWRhasnoAC]

Since you mentioned managing people at your job I'm genuinely curious.

Do you believe there is a limit to the experience your staff can accrue by continuing to do their required job? Do they eventually stop improving once they have hit their individual experience "limit"?

If you have a physical job absolutely. Rest is important.

 

[cydnote]

I kinda want to see a large scale of how many injuries teams have on average.

I look at an Iowa for example. They had Dejean suffer that injury, but otherwise I can’t recall them ever having this slew of injuries?

They have an injury here and there like anyone else, but aren’t just getting positional groups ravaged like this. Someone can correct me though if I’m wrong.

At this point in his career, would you run through a brick wall for Ferentz?

 

[fsanford]

Next guy up. It will only strengthen team depth long term.

Short term ISU is a culture program. It survived injuries last year, and it will probably get through them again this year

 

[coolerifyoudid]

Yes that’s better. Because he’s playing a situation in which the reward is a win so the risk is worth it.

The more optimal time for an injury is later rather than sooner so you can influence the outcome of more games

Is it? What if it was just a tweak that needs time to heal. Now he's got a week versus losing him for the whole game. My point is you're creating one specific scenario to fit your stance and it just isn't realistic. Hindsight is great in this scenario, but what about all of the other players that played and didn't get hurt? Were we just lucky?

If so, what's the magic formula for pulling players? Up 21 with a quarter left? 10 minutes left? 5? Do you pull a QB out the final drive where all he's gonna do is hand off when he wants to be on the field and finish with his team?

Do you just pull certain positions based on need? Would that send a message that coaches are ok if a linebacker/lineman/etc gets injured, but not a cornerback?

I get where you are coming from, but these guys put in work to start and play more. I would guess if you were to ask, a vast majority of them aren't wanting to give up playing time to avoid a potential injury.

Our coaches aren't gonna be perfect, but they are balancing the players mental and physical sides and know the players far better than us.

 

[Malone]

I remember people saying our season was done when kyle kempt was hurt, then this kid named Brock stepped in. I don’t know who will step up but apparently many on here know we have no good corners left

I haven’t seen anybody claim we have no good corners left.

The concern is the same when Jontez had to be inserted earlier in his career: it takes reps for the young guys being thrown to the wolves, and losses become more likely.

In a season where some such as Ben Bruns are claiming this as the best Iowa State team ever, you kinda maybe wanna max out and get somewhere in the postseason besides the Pop Tarts Bowl. That takes more thought than our coaching staff was giving to injuries in the fourth quarter last game.